PotUS from 2021: Buttigieg, Bernie, Warren, Trump?

[sussex cyclist]

Tulsi Gabbard is my first choice, though she doesn’t have a chance. Bernie is my 2nd, and maybe he does. Warren a distant third.

[Tangled Metal]

It's all looking like going to plan for Trump 2020. Another 2 term president judging by the best the Dems can muster.

My view is as follows:
Sanders = a great big campaign gift to Trump all neatly gift wrapped.
Warren = it's America, not ready for a right of centre female president (sorry, left wing. Got stuck thinking in European terms there, won't happen again ).
ButtyGreggs = he's homosexual. America ready for that? More likely to see a president with Corbyn's policies than that. Not a good reason imho but it's probably true.
Biden = old git with a chance. Better than Bloomberg but can he beat Bernie's Bros? Where are Bernie's gals? Is he only supported by young men? I digress.
Bloomberg = nowhere near Trumpian levels of misogyny and sexual harassment allegedly. But he's still got that tar and feather by his Democrats thing going on as if he's Trump's equal. Still, America is generally bought and paid for so possible as an outsider.

Anyone else? Didn't think so.

Trump has the competition to die for in a second term contest. His whole campaigning style is perfect for those lot. My advice to American Democrats is to look to the battle after trumps second term. Develop someone good through the ranks.

Incidentally that's my advice for labour and Tories.

[carpetcleaner]

I waiting for the prediction from the man who wrote this article, one of my favourites from the glorious year of 2016.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/e ... t-leave-eu

[irc]

I waiting for the prediction from the man who wrote this article, one of my favourites from the glorious year of 2016.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/e ... t-leave-eu

Genius! Not just to be wrong but so confidently 100% certain in wrongness.

The bookies have Trump at 4/7 on. Probably accurate. Likely to be blessed with a poor opponent again.

[reohn2]

I waiting for the prediction from the man who wrote this article, one of my favourites from the glorious year of 2016.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/e ... t-leave-eu

Genius! Not just to be wrong but so confidently 100% certain in wrongness.

Being wrong isn't so bad if you're willing to accept you're wrong,the wrongness of Trump and Brexit OTOH is self evident but both will never accept they are.

[Psamathe]

Whilst I think Sanders policies are good, I think he will suffer the Corbyn effect. Too easy for Trump to paint him as extreme left (highlighting a few of his more socialist policies) and to scare the electorate away from voting for Sanders (even if they wont vote for Trump). I think he would let Trump win. I wonder if the Democrats are voting for the policies they like rather than thinking strategically about stopping Trump being elected. A bit like "could you vote for Tony Blair to stop Johnson being elected?" (ignoring Blair and left right) - oting for Blair would leave a very bad taste in my mouth and I'd probably end-up not voting if it was a choice between Blair or Johnson.

Ian

[Audax67]

Trump is riding high just now, and the Dems running a pack mostly made up of geriatrics leavened with one gay isn't going to make much of a dent in him. There are plenty of power-hungry religious crazies, red-necked thickos and out-and-out crooks just drooling for him to be back running the White House Mafia. As are friend Vlady and his merry band of hackers.

If Bernie does get the nomination he'll need someone younger (well, that shouldn't be hard) as veep because he'll probably kick the bucket or start going wibble-wibble-wibble before his term's up (not that that has stopped Trump). Buttycheeks is well-placed for youth, but can you see the hoi polloi voting for a homosexual? Warren's younger than Sanders but even she could be booby-hatch fodder within 4 years, and Biden's damaged goods in many eyes.

Nah, I think it's going to be four more years of Drumpf but hey, it's not all bad. Covid-19 might off us all beforehand.

[irc]

I waiting for the prediction from the man who wrote this article, one of my favourites from the glorious year of 2016.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/e ... t-leave-eu

Genius! Not just to be wrong but so confidently 100% certain in wrongness.

Being wrong isn't so bad if you're willing to accept you're wrong,the wrongness of Trump and Brexit OTOH is self evident but both will never accept they are.

The pre referendum predictions of the remainers didn't exactly win prizes.

Treasury prediction 500'000 job losses in the 2 years after a leave vote. Employment increased.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/brit ... ysis-shows

No deal Brexit would cause worst recession since the 1930s. It didn't.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/t ... ject-fear/

[reohn2]

We haven't left yet.

[irc]

We haven't left yet.

Read the links. They predicted disaster after the vote and before we had left.

This analysis shows that such a decision would cause an immediate and profound economic shock across the country, creating instability and uncertainty which would be made worse by the complex negotiations that would follow

In August 2016 the Treasury and a few banks predicted ecomomic recession for 2017 (during negotiations). Reality?

[reohn2]

We haven't left yet.

Read the links. They predicted disaster after the vote and before we had left.

This analysis shows that such a decision would cause an immediate and profound economic shock across the country, creating instability and uncertainty which would be made worse by the complex negotiations that would follow

I'll repeat,we've not left yet,that is we've left in name only.
And the complex negotiations haven't started properly yet.
When the dust settles(if ever)and I'm proved wrong you'll have my apologies,until then I'll remain very sceptical....

[Cyril Haearn]

Audax67:
Obama, a black, was elected, but I think he sneaked up unexpectedly in the primaries, many people did not like Ms Clinton, plenty of people liked her too mind, minusplus?
I think a woman or a homosexual could be elected
..
The more pressing question after Mrs Merkel goes, sooner or later: is Germany ready for a male leader?

[Tangled Metal]

We haven't left yet.

Read the links. They predicted disaster after the vote and before we had left.

This analysis shows that such a decision would cause an immediate and profound economic shock across the country, creating instability and uncertainty which would be made worse by the complex negotiations that would follow

I'll repeat,we've not left yet,that is we've left in name only.
And the complex negotiations haven't started properly yet.
When the dust settles(if ever)and I'm proved wrong you'll have my apologies,until then I'll remain very sceptical....

I believe the point being made by those quoted graphs is those project fear predictions were not for when we left or even during trade deal negotiations. It was simply for the period straight after the 2016 referendum. That period of time has happened so we can test whether those predictions were accurate or not.

The job losses hasn't happened because we've got higher employment levels not lower. Economy hasn't become a basket case. I read or heard it said once that the drop in pound value after the referendum was an adjustment. Something about the true value of the pound I think.

Whatever your views on Brexit there's really no disputing the facts that both sides made things up or outright lied.

[reohn2]

I'll repeat.........

[fullupandslowingdown]

I received the following text from someone I know in the US back in 2008
"Women all over America are shaving their (*rudeword depilated)* in support of Obama, and saying "Read our lips, NO MORE BUSH"
I liked it so much, I kept it

In the unlikely event that trump's shenanigans fail to return him the keys to the whitehouse again, I wonder what slogan democrats will come up with for Bernie or Joe, Pete Warren or Bloomers?