Re: E cars and the change to the urban landscape
Posted: 5 Aug 2019, 10:09pm
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kwackers wrote:Mick F wrote:Even price parity won't do it.
There has to be an incentive to get rid of polluting diesels and replacing them with EVs for one thing, let alone the petrol cars.
Then, you need to convince folk that an EV is the better choice for an everyday car for the millions of folk who run £500 cars as a matter of normality. I know many people who balk at spending as much as a grand for a car.
Maybe ban the sale of brand new ICE cars as of Jan 1st one year soon. Stop the production dead is probably the only way to switch over the EVs.
Ignoring second hand cars for a moment.
Why do people buy new diesel? Because they think they're cheap to run, they even pay a premium on the car which will take years to pay back...
What's cheaper to run than a diesel and by a lot? An EV.
How long does the average new purchaser of a car hang on to it? 3-5 years.
That's how EV get into the market. People buy them new. Throw in zero rate tax, lack of congestion charging and currently underused parking on some prime sites and the only thing to overcome is peoples inertia - which once they see their mates driving around for pennies will happen.
Back to second hand.
You can only buy what the folk buying new originally bought. If folk buy EV's then your next car will be an EV.
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Mick F wrote:No comment from me either because I refuse to disable my adblocker.al_yrpal wrote:https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/indu ... -continues
Cunobelin wrote:The charging times I quoted were for the most "popular" electric car.
The second point is the availability of chargers. Locally we have none of the "super" chargers, and you have to carry some 4 different cable sets to use the chargers available locally
There are also limitations with some cars as to the power input they can utilise
Cunobelin wrote:Cheaper to run?
I wanted a commuting vehicle and looked at the Renault Twizy, as I did not "need" a car.
However, when I looked into the running costs, the battery "hire" was more expensive than the fuel costs for a small "City Car"
Then because of the additional weight add things like additional tyre wear, brake wear etc and the running costs rise.
In the end, the Twizy priced itself off my list
al_yrpal wrote:IMO generating power for travel is best done centrally in the greenest way possible and that must be good for the planet. But, at the moment EV cars are generally impractical as a sole means of transport. No doubt that will slowly change as the technology develops. The abysmal UK sales of EVs reflects the perceived lack of range, lack of charging infrastructure and lack of EVs to purchase with decent range at a reasonable price.
Are we there yet...nope. Will we get there soon, who knows? As Mick says the £600 jalopy owners will never be able to afford one and they are a massive part of the market. If you live in a place like Devon and Cornwall the power sapping hills will be a massive problem as I have discovered from my recently acquired Pedelec because it decreases range by considerably more than half. Add to that low temperatures and bang goes another chunk of range.
You mean they're selling just a tad over half as many again - 58% more.kwackers wrote:EV sales are up 158% on the same month last year.
No they don't.kwackers wrote:Buy a Twizy without the battery hire - they do exist.
Mick F wrote:You mean they're selling just a tad over half as many again - 58% more.kwackers wrote:EV sales are up 158% on the same month last year.
How many more is it?
How many more petrol cars were sold in the same period?
kwackers wrote:Abysmal sales?
Out of interest how do you expect sales to work? From zero to 100 million in a year?
That simply isn't how it works. Takes time to ramp up production and currently production lags demand.
158% increase year on year is hardly a failure
kwackers wrote:As for the £600 jalopy purchasers - nobody actually cares about them.
It sounds harsh but bottom feeders make do with whatever they can find. .
Mick F wrote:No they don't.kwackers wrote:Buy a Twizy without the battery hire - they do exist.
You can buy a Zoe without battery rental at vast expense, but the Twizy is rental only .............. or that's what Renault said when I asked.
al_yrpal wrote:It is when its only 1.4% of UK car sales!
al_yrpal wrote:What a lovely sentiment , but not altogether surprising.