unwelcome sight during walk on Downs

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unwelcome sight during walk on Downs

Postby 661-Pete » 8 Aug 2019, 5:24pm

Today we were enjoying a leisurely stroll on Wolstonbury Hill, on the South Downs: a place we often visit, to admire the flowers, the butterflies and the view. Very quiet: not many other walkers about.

Then we come across this.
Racist graffiti 01.jpg

This is on a stile right out in the countryside - away from any roads.

Rather upsetting.

Yes it could be argued, it's only kids fooling around, but it's clearly copycat behaviour, inspired by recent events across the world. And if kids think they can do this and get away with it, won't adults too? Where will it stop?

So: what should we do? Report it?

[edit] title changed to deter search engines. Not sure if this will have any effect.
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Re: hate-speech graffiti

Postby brynpoeth » 8 Aug 2019, 5:35pm

Of course you should report it
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Re: hate-speech graffiti

Postby bovlomov » 8 Aug 2019, 5:54pm

A few weeks after the referendum, I went to a car boot sale in North Wales. On the gate post was some graffiti instructing black people to go somewhere - not in so many words. It was decades since I had seen that type of graffiti. At the same car boot sale, I was told, there had been a fight between a couple of local traders and some East European traders.

It could all have been a coincidence, but it felt as though the referendum had emboldened some angry nativists. It would be no surprise, given the type of language many of the Brexit promoters were using (they've done nothing since to remedy that folly). It turned out that verbal and physical attacks on foreigners and people with darker skin did increase nationally.

I understand what 'white power' means. The rest seems like gibberish.

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Re: hate-speech graffiti

Postby landsurfer » 8 Aug 2019, 5:59pm

Do you never tire of the "Brexit supporters bad" approach to life ..... :roll:
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Re: hate-speech graffiti

Postby bovlomov » 8 Aug 2019, 6:05pm

landsurfer wrote:Do you never tire of the "Brexit supporters bad" approach to life ..... :roll:

Read it again.

Nowhere do I imply that Brexit supporters are bad.

There is evidence connecting aggressive nationalism with Brexit.

Different things.

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Re: hate-speech graffiti

Postby 661-Pete » 8 Aug 2019, 6:10pm

landsurfer wrote:Do you never tire of the "Brexit supporters bad" approach to life ..... :roll:

Please understand the difference between saying "Brexit supporters bad" - patently untrue as it stands - and saying "there are some bad eggs amongst Brexit supporters". Because sadly, the latter statement is only too true.

Even as I was snapping that vandalised stile, this story was frontpaged in the Press. And it's only one of many. You may no doubt wish to point to antisocial or criminal behaviour by Remain supporters. But for every one you finger, there'll be a dozen Brexit fanatics doing the same, or worse.

Please also bear in mind that we have no way of telling whether the perpetrator of the above graffiti was pro- or anti-Brexit. More likely a 'don't care'.
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Re: hate-speech graffiti

Postby al_yrpal » 8 Aug 2019, 8:27pm

Its funny how so many British people want to Remain closely associated with so many countries where the openly racist far right is increasingly resurgent. Austria and France in particular are relatively rich and very influential with large far right political parties. AFD in Germany and open racism in Hungary.

The far right are nowhere in the UK.

BBC News - Europe and right-wing nationalism: A country-by-country guide
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36130006

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Re: hate-speech graffiti

Postby Oldjohnw » 8 Aug 2019, 8:29pm

al_yrpal wrote:Its funny how so many British people want to Remain closely associated with so many countries where the openly racist far right is increasingly resurgent. Austria and France in particular are relatively rich and very influential with large far right political parties. AFD in Germany and open racism in Hungary.

The far right are nowhere in the UK.

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Re: hate-speech graffiti

Postby 661-Pete » 8 Aug 2019, 8:59pm

al_yrpal wrote:Its funny how so many British people want to Remain closely associated with so many countries where the openly racist far right is increasingly resurgent. Austria and France in particular are relatively rich and very influential with large far right political parties. AFD in Germany and open racism in Hungary.
I'm perfectly well aware of this. But the far right groups in each of those countries are mainly a threat to the people of the country itself. Remaining in the EU would not have put us more at risk. Indeed we are more at risk from home-grown far right individuals.

On the other hand, my feeling is that if we had voted Remain, there would not have been so much of a resurgence in these European extremist groups since 2016. The Leave vote was in effect an incentiviser - as it has been to such groups in this country. After all, we're all aware that UKIP - up until 2016 a mostly single-issue movement, has acquired a far more sinister complexion since then...

Being more closely associated with European countries, even those which do have problems of this nature, means that Britain's security service can work more closely with the corresponding security services in those countries, to counteract these threats. By leaving the EU we sacrifice that.

Sorry - I wasn't planning for this thread to become another EU debate. But the topics of far-right extremism and the Leave/Remain issue are to some extent interlinked. So the thread drift is relevant.
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Re: hate-speech graffiti

Postby reohn2 » 8 Aug 2019, 9:04pm

landsurfer wrote:Do you never tire of the "Brexit supporters bad" approach to life ..... :roll:

Do you ever get tired of adding two and two together and getting five? :roll:
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Re: hate-speech graffiti

Postby bovlomov » 8 Aug 2019, 9:07pm

Anyway - REMOVE INK GET SHOT SAVVY? - does anyone know what it means? Is that a full stop after SHOT?

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Re: hate-speech graffiti

Postby reohn2 » 8 Aug 2019, 9:18pm

bovlomov wrote:Anyway - REMOVE INK GET SHOT SAVVY? - does anyone know what it means? Is that a full stop after SHOT?

Not a clue,but it seems to written by someone with quite limited writing skill and real attitude problem,a bit like some folk on here :?
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Re: hate-speech graffiti

Postby richardfm » 8 Aug 2019, 9:21pm

bovlomov wrote:Anyway - REMOVE INK GET SHOT SAVVY? - does anyone know what it means? Is that a full stop after SHOT?

I think 'Savvy?' Means 'do you understand?', but I don't understand 'Remove ink get shot'.

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Re: hate-speech graffiti

Postby al_yrpal » 8 Aug 2019, 9:24pm

661-Pete wrote:
Being more closely associated with European countries, even those which do have problems of this nature, means that Britain's security service can work more closely with the corresponding security services in those countries, to counteract these threats. By leaving the EU we sacrifice that.
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No we wont, like lots of links with Europe it will continue in a slightly different form. They dont want to give up what we are best at. Pretending sacrifice is just part of Project Fear to keep us in. You Remainers are all so naive! :lol:

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Re: hate-speech graffiti

Postby landsurfer » 8 Aug 2019, 9:33pm

al_yrpal wrote:
661-Pete wrote:
Being more closely associated with European countries, even those which do have problems of this nature, means that Britain's security service can work more closely with the corresponding security services in those countries, to counteract these threats. By leaving the EU we sacrifice that.
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No we wont, like lots of links with Europe it will continue in a slightly different form. They dont want to give up what we are best at. Pretending sacrifice is just part of Project Fear to keep us in. You Remainers are all so naive! :lol:

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