The Recycling Myth?

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Re: The Recycling Myth?

Postby nez » 20 Aug 2019, 10:10pm

Mick F wrote:Supermarkets are the biggest offenders.
interestingly, when I spent some time in Bavaria almost *40* years ago, there was a regulation that big stores had to take packaging back from you - you could dump it in a big bin before you left the shop. We don’t seem to have rushed into anything similar.

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Re: The Recycling Myth?

Postby Mike Sales » 20 Aug 2019, 10:16pm

I believe that when you buy an electrical appliance the shop is obliged to take your old appliance and recycle it.
The assistants in Argos refused to accept this or my defunct TV.
Can anybody confirm my belief?

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Re: The Recycling Myth?

Postby Psamathe » 20 Aug 2019, 10:36pm

Mike Sales wrote:I believe that when you buy an electrical appliance the shop is obliged to take your old appliance and recycle it.
The assistants in Argos refused to accept this or my defunct TV.
Can anybody confirm my belief?

https://www.gov.uk/electricalwaste-producer-supplier-responsibilities/take-back-waste-in-store wrote:Electrical waste: retailer and distributor responsibilities

Too much to quote but specifies the retailers responsibilities. I'd show the retailer the document and then charge them for getting back to the store (given you've already given them the opportunity and they forced you to return a 2nd time)

Ian

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Re: The Recycling Myth?

Postby Mike Sales » 20 Aug 2019, 10:57pm

Psamathe wrote:
Mike Sales wrote:I believe that when you buy an electrical appliance the shop is obliged to take your old appliance and recycle it.
The assistants in Argos refused to accept this or my defunct TV.
Can anybody confirm my belief?

https://www.gov.uk/electricalwaste-producer-supplier-responsibilities/take-back-waste-in-store wrote:Electrical waste: retailer and distributor responsibilities

Too much to quote but specifies the retailers responsibilities. I'd show the retailer the document and then charge them for getting back to the store (given you've already given them the opportunity and they forced you to return a 2nd time)

Ian

Thanks.

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Re: The Recycling Myth?

Postby mattheus » 21 Aug 2019, 10:36am

pete75 wrote:
mattheus wrote:They could be working in mining, or motorsport, or fast food, and done the same sort of damage - idiots are idiots.

Trying to blame the recycling industry is clutching at straws*


(which will no doubt be recycled : D )


Who's clutching at straws in trying to blame the recycling industry? I mentioned one particular firm which may well have done more harm than good.. Do you not know the difference between the particular and the general?

Well I think I do - but feel free to explain it to me if you feel motivated!

The point here is that in the context of the "The Recycling Myth", posting a story about recycling-gone-wrong could be construed as "evidence" that recycling isn't working. Sometime people post things with a strong, unspoken implication ...

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Re: The Recycling Myth?

Postby pete75 » 21 Aug 2019, 10:56am

mattheus wrote:
pete75 wrote:
mattheus wrote:They could be working in mining, or motorsport, or fast food, and done the same sort of damage - idiots are idiots.

Trying to blame the recycling industry is clutching at straws*


(which will no doubt be recycled : D )


Who's clutching at straws in trying to blame the recycling industry? I mentioned one particular firm which may well have done more harm than good.. Do you not know the difference between the particular and the general?

Well I think I do - but feel free to explain it to me if you feel motivated!

The point here is that in the context of the "The Recycling Myth", posting a story about recycling-gone-wrong could be construed as "evidence" that recycling isn't working. Sometime people post things with a strong, unspoken implication ...


And some people completely misconstrue what someone has said and then attack them for it.

What you've done is conflate my criticism of a single recycle company into a criticism of the whole industry.
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Re: The Recycling Myth?

Postby Psamathe » 21 Aug 2019, 11:05am

Reported in todays Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/aug/20/amazon-under-fire-for-new-packaging-that-cant-be-recycled wrote:Amazon under fire for new packaging that cannot be recycled
Amazon has been criticised by environmental groups and customers after introducing a range of plastic packaging that cannot be recycled in the UK.

While supermarkets and other retailers have been reducing their use of single use plastics, the world’s biggest online retailer has started sending small items in plastic envelopes, seemingly to allow more parcels to be loaded on to each delivery truck.

Another example where profit is more important than doing the best for the world. Our politicians and their mantra of "self-regulation" and "market forces" is nothing more that an enabler for higher profits for companies. Time the country started making it unprofitable for such practices through strict regulation and taxation.

Ian

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Re: The Recycling Myth?

Postby mercalia » 21 Aug 2019, 11:33am

Thge BBC have an article today on how many pieces of old tech you have stored away in draws and cuboards

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49409055

Well I have lots but I need/use all of mine. My "newest" laptop, bought 2 years ago now, was a 2012 HP2560p Elitebook cost me just £95 with a 10/12" screen and sim card slot and gps. A nice machine. and pretty fast.( enough). My oldest are minidisc decks and portables and old pocket pcs that are still useful for simple mapping, and beat smartphones in having the type of screen( but a colour one) found on original kindles ie can use day light to augment the brightness, so the brighter it is the better! I rarely buy new tech these days.

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Re: The Recycling Myth?

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 21 Aug 2019, 8:37pm

Hi,
Am I the only one who washes plastic bags to reuse with the dish water :P
Am I one of the few without a dishwasher machine.
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Re: The Recycling Myth?

Postby Psamathe » 21 Aug 2019, 8:42pm

NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
Am I the only one who washes plastic bags to reuse with the dish water :P
Am I one of the few without a dishwasher machine.

I don't have a dishwasher (never had one). I hardly ever use hot water (only for showers). I'm still using the "single use plastic supermarket bags" from before the charge was introduced (though I do have fewer now than I used to have), etc.

Ian

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Re: The Recycling Myth?

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 21 Aug 2019, 8:55pm

Hi,
Psamathe wrote:
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
Am I the only one who washes plastic bags to reuse with the dish water :P
Am I one of the few without a dishwasher machine.

I don't have a dishwasher (never had one). I hardly ever use hot water (only for showers). I'm still using the "single use plastic supermarket bags" from before the charge was introduced (though I do have fewer now than I used to have), etc.

Ian

I wash bread plastic bags rather than throw them, I bin them when they have holes, use them to store stuff in the fridge.
I make my own bread but err in doors like soft bread for her teeth, mine are all mine so I can crunch the toast and chew when its stale :lol:
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Re: The Recycling Myth?

Postby Mick F » 22 Aug 2019, 9:14am

NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
Am I the only one who washes plastic bags to reuse with the dish water :P
Am I one of the few without a dishwasher machine.
I'm the dishwasher in this house.
I too wash out the plazzy bags.
Mick F. Cornwall

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Re: The Recycling Myth?

Postby merseymouth » 24 Aug 2019, 5:35pm

Hi all, I must confess to having a dishwasher! But she goes under the title of "SWMBO" :wink: . IGICB MM