The "Royals" Thread
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Something else for the schools of thought to think about is if Andy becomes our next king, where will his heir come from? No sniggering at the back, please.
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I just wish that if the us attorneys looking into the epstein allegations and wanting to question the Prince would put up or shut up. If there's a case to answer just come out with the paperwork to get the Prince and prosecute. I'm sure there's a deal to be made. Prince for Harry Dun's killer. It's a straight swap of one PoS for another.
Can we throw in a few other princes too? We've got rid of one over there already, just a few more will do it.
Can we throw in a few other princes too? We've got rid of one over there already, just a few more will do it.
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The system of succession in England wasn't anywhere near as clear as the way that it is sometimes described.Tangled Metal wrote: ↑7 Sep 2021, 1:05pm I'm still curious if there's been any cases of a King who was born of a male monarch.
The Anglo-Saxons weren't particular keen of primogeniture, only that the next up came from a suitable family.
And in the 12th century a king was crowned while his father ruled.
But the question is about England? And you're looking for a male successor who born while his father was undisputedly monarch?
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Is that about the criminal investigations or the new civil suit?Tangled Metal wrote: ↑7 Sep 2021, 1:12pm I just wish that if the us attorneys looking into the epstein allegations and wanting to question the Prince would put up or shut up.
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Surely he could get a surrogate to do the deed for him? I bet he'd not be the only monarch to do that. There's believed to be an above average rate of illegitimacy in the Royal ancestry over the last nearly 1000 years possibly longer.thirdcrank wrote: ↑7 Sep 2021, 1:08pm Something else for the schools of thought to think about is if Andy becomes our next king, where will his heir come from? No sniggering at the back, please.
I once saw a figure for the rate of cuckoo in the monarchy versus general public once. Iirc it was based on genetic research and suffice to say it's over twice the general public rate.
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Well, afaik, there haven't been any Trans kings or queens - yet. But it may come...Tangled Metal wrote: ↑7 Sep 2021, 1:05pm I'm still curious if there's been any cases of a King who was born of a male monarch. If that's the case then perhaps more potential for wars about it.
LGBT monarchs were common enough, of course. Think William II, Richard I and II, Edward II, James I, and Anne (possibly), for starters - and that's just in Britain...
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I was thinking about the NY attorney General who was looking into the matter. All this talk of non cooperation and they just don't seem to be pushing it just putting press statements out about non-cooperation. If there's a valid or diplomatic reason just state it then move on to what they can investigate. Just my opinion.Jdsk wrote: ↑7 Sep 2021, 1:18pmIs that about the criminal investigations or the new civil suit?Tangled Metal wrote: ↑7 Sep 2021, 1:12pm I just wish that if the us attorneys looking into the epstein allegations and wanting to question the Prince would put up or shut up.
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Should it, perhaps, be pointed out that there's a school of thought that thinks an Australian guy called Simon Abney-Hastings is the rightful King of England? This was all 'revealed' in a Channel 4 doc that examined the lineal descent of his late father Michael. It's all the fault of that Richard III bloke... or was it Edward IV?
So when's the Coronation going to be? And how soon can we pack Liz, Charlie, Wills et al into Balmoral and lock the doors? (Liz is still rightful Q of Scots btw...)
So when's the Coronation going to be? And how soon can we pack Liz, Charlie, Wills et al into Balmoral and lock the doors? (Liz is still rightful Q of Scots btw...)
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That sounds like the Federal criminal investigation. The prosecutors are based in New York, but it isn't a state matter.Tangled Metal wrote: ↑7 Sep 2021, 1:22pmI was thinking about the NY attorney General who was looking into the matter. All this talk of non cooperation and they just don't seem to be pushing it just putting press statements out about non-cooperation. If there's a valid or diplomatic reason just state it then move on to what they can investigate. Just my opinion.Jdsk wrote: ↑7 Sep 2021, 1:18pmIs that about the criminal investigations or the new civil suit?Tangled Metal wrote: ↑7 Sep 2021, 1:12pm I just wish that if the us attorneys looking into the epstein allegations and wanting to question the Prince would put up or shut up.
I don't think that they have many powers to "push it". They have issued a mutual legal assistance treaty (MLAT) submission.
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George IV was born on 2 August 1762. George III had succeeded on 25 October 1760.Tangled Metal wrote: ↑7 Sep 2021, 1:05pm I'm still curious if there's been any cases of a King who was born of a male monarch. If that's the case then perhaps more potential for wars about it.
There may be many others FAIK.
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Wasn't it to do with that German King they installed into King role to avoid a Catholic? At the same time linking our royals more firmly into the European Royal network? George II.661-Pete wrote: ↑7 Sep 2021, 1:36pm Should it, perhaps, be pointed out that there's a school of thought that thinks an Australian guy called Simon Abney-Hastings is the rightful King of England? This was all 'revealed' in a Channel 4 doc that examined the lineal descent of his late father Michael. It's all the fault of that Richard III bloke... or was it Edward IV?
So when's the Coronation going to be? And how soon can we pack Liz, Charlie, Wills et al into Balmoral and lock the doors? (Liz is still rightful Q of Scots btw...)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Abn ... of_Loudoun
"This argument involves the claim that Edward IV of England was illegitimate."
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"This argument involves the claim that Edward IV of England was illegitimate."
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His access suffered attainder which meant forfeit of land and titles due to treason or murder. Also, only king of England. England joined with Scotland so title if King of England alone doesn't exist.
I think there's a few other reasons that story was wishful thinking.
I think there's a few other reasons that story was wishful thinking.
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Of course it was - as the Channel 4 people knew full well when they put out that doc.Tangled Metal wrote: ↑7 Sep 2021, 10:49pm I think there's a few other reasons that story was wishful thinking.
The premise was that Edward IV, presumed to be the legit son of Richard Duke of York, couldn't have been because Richard was 100 miles away from his wife during the time when Edward must have been conceived - whilst on the other hand his mother was suspected of a dalliance with an archer named Blaybourne. This particular story may be true - though it is disputed by some historians.
But Edward's brother Clarence (he of the malmsey ducking), from whom Simon is descended, had his descendants disqualified from the succession by something called attainder.
Moreover, Henry VII (he who beat up Richard III and had him buried in that car park) - Henry's claim to the throne was heavily disputed at the time - I've read somewhere that at least seven other blokes had a stronger case...
It could be that there is no rightful king or queen of England (unlike Scotland) - which is a good argument for us becoming a Republic.
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Reflecting on all the other deficiencies in our "constitution," I think that George VI and Elizabeth II have played their constitutional roles very well.
I can see that it's a personality thing and the next generation may not be the same
I can see that it's a personality thing and the next generation may not be the same