Poor Old Harry or Andy

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Re: Poor Old Harry or Andy

Postby mercalia » 30 Aug 2019, 9:19am

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... GTUK_email

What is the chance of the US of A putting in an extradition request for Andy Pandy and idicting him and putting him in the clink? Thats one story that might push Brexit from centre stage? Would certainly finish off the Queen?



were it some other tom dick or harry an arrest warrent would have been made long before now? seems like being a prince gives you a dont go to jail card?

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Re: Poor Old Harry or Andy

Postby Cugel » 30 Aug 2019, 9:47am

mercalia wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2019/aug/29/is-there-a-way-out-of-the-epstein-mess-prince-andrew-hasnt-put-his-fat-finger-on-it?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX0d1YXJkaWFuVG9kYXlVS19XZWVrZGF5cy0xOTA4MzA%3D&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK&CMP=GTUK_email

What is the chance of the US of A putting in an extradition request for Andy Pandy and idicting him and putting him in the clink? Thats one story that might push Brexit from centre stage? Would certainly finish off the Queen?



were it some other tom dick or harry an arrest warrent would have been made long before now? seems like being a prince gives you a dont go to jail card?


When I was a tiny bairn, 169 years ago,I was give a Triang tricycle, that I loved. I pedalled it incessantly around the large cooncil hoose green and back lanes whilst singing the Andy Pandy song at the top of my sweet little falsetto. How the neighbours were charmed!

Andy Pandy's coming to play
Tral-la-la-la lah-lah.

Little did I realise that this was an obvious memetic harpoon designed by the cunning lefties of the BBC to induce that royal prince into "playing" in a most egregious manner. If I'd known, I would have sung the theme from Muffin the Mule insted - although that is a sexyool offense in Georgia, I believe (muffin' the mule, of the horse, not singing).

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Re: Poor Old Harry or Andy

Postby brynpoeth » 30 Aug 2019, 7:23pm

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Re: Poor Old Harry or Andy

Postby NUKe » 30 Aug 2019, 8:14pm

The sooner this country wakes up to the fact we don’t need to be lorded over by the upper class, the better, I don’t wish them any harm but the French had the right idea.
And just remember they are only there because their ancestors either murdered or slept with their cousins too get there.
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Re: Poor Old Harry or Andy

Postby Ben@Forest » 31 Aug 2019, 7:53am

NUKe wrote:The sooner this country wakes up to the fact we don’t need to be lorded over by the upper class, the better, I don’t wish them any harm but the French had the right idea.
And just remember they are only there because their ancestors either murdered or slept with their cousins too get there.


No European country bans marriage between first cousins (or therefore cousins more removed) although there is evidence of a slightly higher risk of abnormality or disability in their offspring. There are relatively high numbers of first cousin marriages in Asian populations in the UK.

Interestingly about half of US states do prohibit marriage between first cousins so despite stereotypical depictions of backward and inbred rednecks perhaps they're less inbred than Europeans.

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Re: Poor Old Harry or Andy

Postby Oldjohnw » 31 Aug 2019, 8:24am

The crowned heads of Europe were pretty interbred and quite apart from a striking similarity of looks between them there was also a pretty nasty congenital blood sickness there.

Some US states still permit the marriage of minors.
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Re: Poor Old Harry or Andy

Postby Mike Sales » 31 Aug 2019, 9:23am

The Hapsburg Jaw is a famous royal hereditary deformity spread by inbreeding.

It is believed that the Habsburg Jaw originated in a family of Polish royals, and the first person to have been known to have it was Maximilian I, a Holy Roman Emperor who ruled from 1486 to 1519. Many portraits of this monarch feature a pronounced underbite.
Through generations of royals marrying each other and therefore closing the ranks of their gene pools, the Habsburg Jaw manifested itself just about everywhere in Medieval Europe. The House of Habsburg, which is named after the Habsburg Castle in Switzerland, is associated with the Habsburg Jaw because so many of its members had it.
Charles II, the last Spanish Habsburg, was feeble-minded and physically deformed as a direct result of his limited gene pool. His ancestor, Joanna of Castile, actually appears in his family tree no less than fourteen times because of first and second cousins intermarrying. It is said that Charles II's genetic makeup was more muddled than it would have been if his parents had been brother and sister.


https://owlcation.com/humanities/The-Habsburg-Jaw-And-Other-Royal-Inbreeding-Deformities-and-Disorders

I do not know whether the Saxe-Coburg Gothas had problems, but the royal insistence on only marrying other royals seems a bit risky.
Victoria and Albert were cousins and third cousins once removed.

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Re: Poor Old Harry or Andy

Postby Ben@Forest » 31 Aug 2019, 11:01am

Mike Sales wrote:The Hapsburg Jaw is a famous royal hereditary deformity spread by inbreeding.

I do not know whether the Saxe-Coburg Gothas had problems, but the royal insistence on only marrying other royals seems a bit risky.
Victoria and Albert were cousins and third cousins once removed.


They had no problem with fecundity, they had 9 children, none of whom had serious physical problems. I don't think any died of conditions that weren't prevalent of the time or of their class (i.e. eating too much because they could). One lived till her 90s.

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Re: Poor Old Harry or Andy

Postby Mike Sales » 31 Aug 2019, 11:08am

Ben@Forest wrote:
They had no problem with fecundity, they had 9 children, none of whom had serious physical problems. I don't think any died of conditions that weren't prevalent of the time or of their class (i.e. eating too much because they could). One lived till her 90s.


Did not suggest they did have problems. It is an interesting sign of royal mating habits though.
Reading the link to the Habsburgs does suggest it would be no bad thing to widen their gene pool by marrying a few plebs.
The article linked to gives a fair understanding.

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Re: Poor Old Harry or Andy

Postby Oldjohnw » 31 Aug 2019, 11:10am

A number had hemophilia. I seem to recall some died of it. It was even call the 'Royal disease'.
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Re: Poor Old Harry or Andy

Postby Mike Sales » 31 Aug 2019, 11:14am

Oldjohnw wrote:A number had hemophilia. I seem to recall some died of it. It was even call the 'Royal disease'.


Haemophilia acquired the name the royal disease due to the high number of descendants of Queen Victoria afflicted by it. The first instance of haemophilia in the British Royal family occured on the birth of Prince Leopold on 7th April, 1853, Leopold was the fourth son and eighth child of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. No earlier occurence of the disease in the Royal family had been known, it is assumed that a mutation occured in the sperm of the Queen's father, Edward Augustus, Duke of Kent.


http://www.englishmonarchs.co.uk/haemophilia.html

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Re: Poor Old Harry or Andy

Postby Ben@Forest » 31 Aug 2019, 11:22am

Oldjohnw wrote:A number had hemophilia. I seem to recall some died of it. It was even call the 'Royal disease'.


Did any of their children have it? I know it was prevalent in European royal families at the time but can't see that in their children having just googled it.

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Re: Poor Old Harry or Andy

Postby Mike Sales » 31 Aug 2019, 11:29am

Ben@Forest wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:A number had hemophilia. I seem to recall some died of it. It was even call the 'Royal disease'.


Did any of their children have it? I know it was prevalent in European royal families at the time but can't see that in their children having just googled it.


The link I posted says that their son Leopold had haemophilia, and also a family tree which details the descendants affected.
The Prussian royal family was affected, and the Romanovs famously suffered. The Tsarevich's bleeding episodes and Rasputin's supposed ability to cure them are well known.

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Re: Poor Old Harry or Andy

Postby mattheus » 31 Aug 2019, 12:31pm

So is a ginger UK prince marrying a US mixed-race non-royal a good thing?

I merely seek information ...

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Re: Poor Old Harry or Andy

Postby Ben@Forest » 31 Aug 2019, 12:36pm

mattheus wrote:So is a ginger UK prince marrying a US mixed-race non-royal a good thing?

I merely seek information ...


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