Bank holiday, are people mad

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Re: Bank holiday, are people mad

Postby Cugel » 26 Aug 2019, 9:17am

Ben@Forest wrote:
661-Pete wrote:But....
Ben@Forest wrote:I have to say being autistic is not an excuse for the tone of the original post of this thread.

isn't that a bit out of order? Like many others, I guess, I wonder why Skyhawk needs to include the word "autistic" in nearly every post (as well as on his sig line). But I don't have the right to criticise. Perhaps it's his way of addressing the issue. Let him come in and explain!


I felt the post was gratuitously dismissive and shading on nasty. People could similarly excuse their words because of conditions, culture, environment, abuses suffered..... then anyone can excuse any attempt at civility.


I excuse my pokes, digs and nipple-twists at others and their doings on the grounds that I yam lovely (obviously) and "they" are all nasty. This may be a delusion but .... which bits?

Anyroadup, I have a list of excuses at the ready for when someone takes me to task for over-vigorous poking at another human. If necessary, I may put a-one of these excuses into a permanent sig at the bottom of every post! That'll stop them mods from red-harpooning my pearls of, er, wisdom.

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Re: Bank holiday, are people mad

Postby francovendee » 26 Aug 2019, 9:35am

mercalia wrote:The max distance I will go will be on Bank Holiday Monday take a trip to Ruislip Lido beach and paddle in the water


I know that well and Lived in Northwood Hills in the 80's. I could walk all the way from my house to the Lido without seeing a road. There used to be water skiing there most days. My Brother in Law had Polio as a child and was told he'd most likely got it from swimming in the lido, but this was in the 60's.

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Re: Bank holiday, are people mad

Postby 661-Pete » 26 Aug 2019, 9:37am

Back on topic: we spent Saturday on an organised butterfly-hunt near Steyning (pronounced "Stenning") on the South Downs. Quite a lot of people turned up for this - over 20, a real Bank Holiday crowd! The organiser was delighted, he said, the more eyes the better! Our target was a rather rare, elusive and difficult-to-spot creature: the Brown Hairstreak, which is locally common to a few selective sites in Southern England.

We didn't see as many as we'd hoped for: the organiser said it was maybe a bit too hot for them (as it was for us! :shock: ). But I did manage to get this piccy: this is a female who's just laid one of her eggs on another branch.
Brown Hairstreak 01.jpg


We didn't go to Brighton beach :lol: . We went for another short walk locally on Sunday, but it was bloody hot again! Other from that - stay at home!
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Re: Bank holiday, are people mad

Postby pete75 » 26 Aug 2019, 9:54am

Mick F wrote:Talking of bank holidays .....................

They're moving the 2020 Early May BH to the following Friday! :shock: :shock:
Many millions of people knew nothing about this, including us.
Instead of being Monday May 4th, it's going to be Friday May 8th ........... all to do with the anniversary of VE Day.

Fetes, fairs, weddings, civic parades, bands, acts, festivals .................... all have been booked years in advance.
No doubt all these things will still go ahead, but it won't be a BH.

Also, diaries, calendars, notebooks, computer software ................ all going to be wrong.

Whoever decided this and why is all well and good, but a couple of years notice would have been better than less than a year.
VE Day was 1945, surely they could have made a decision years ago that the 75th anniversary was coming! :shock:


The least the buggers should have done is give us an extra bank holiday

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Re: Bank holiday, are people mad

Postby Mike Sales » 26 Aug 2019, 9:58am

pete75 wrote:The least the buggers should have done is give us an extra bank holiday


I think that part of the motivation for the change was to remove any association with the socialist celebration of May Day as day honouring workers.

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Re: Bank holiday, are people mad

Postby pete75 » 26 Aug 2019, 10:02am

Mike Sales wrote:
pete75 wrote:The least the buggers should have done is give us an extra bank holiday


I think that part of the motivation for the change was to remove any association with the socialist celebration of May Day as day honouring workers.


And who the hell do you think was responsible for victory in Europe if it wasn't the workers who made the weapons and the servicemen who voted overwhelmingly for the Attlee government?

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Re: Bank holiday, are people mad

Postby Hobbs1951 » 26 Aug 2019, 10:03am

Fortunately when we are in West Sussex our house is a stone's throw from the sea, so while the village is invaded (it does feel like that) we feel no need to venture anywhere in the automobile - a short bicycle ride to numerous cafes and pubs.

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Re: Bank holiday, are people mad

Postby Mike Sales » 26 Aug 2019, 10:05am

pete75 wrote:
Mike Sales wrote:
pete75 wrote:The least the buggers should have done is give us an extra bank holiday


I think that part of the motivation for the change was to remove any association with the socialist celebration of May Day as day honouring workers.


And who the hell do you think was responsible for victory in Europe if it wasn't the workers who made the weapons and the servicemen who voted overwhelmingly for the Attlee government?


Don't get narky.
Of course your point is good, but is there very much mention of the workers in the VE celebrations?
There is certainly no mention of workers more generally, which is what May Day was about.

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Re: Bank holiday, are people mad

Postby pete75 » 26 Aug 2019, 10:17am

Mike Sales wrote:
pete75 wrote:
Mike Sales wrote:
I think that part of the motivation for the change was to remove any association with the socialist celebration of May Day as day honouring workers.


And who the hell do you think was responsible for victory in Europe if it wasn't the workers who made the weapons and the servicemen who voted overwhelmingly for the Attlee government?


Don't get narky.
Of course your point is good, but is there very much mention of the workers in the VE celebrations?
There is certainly no mention of workers more generally, which is what May Day was about.


Hmmm most of the servicemen themselves were workers temporarily in uniform for the war. The right may make a lot of references to WW2, Dunkirk, D day etc etc but that doesn't mean those things belong to them alone though.

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Re: Bank holiday, are people mad

Postby Mike Sales » 26 Aug 2019, 10:26am

pete75 wrote:
Mike Sales wrote:
pete75 wrote:
And who the hell do you think was responsible for victory in Europe if it wasn't the workers who made the weapons and the servicemen who voted overwhelmingly for the Attlee government?


Don't get narky.
Of course your point is good, but is there very much mention of the workers in the VE celebrations?
There is certainly no mention of workers more generally, which is what May Day was about.


Hmmm most of the servicemen themselves were workers temporarily in uniform for the war. The right may make a lot of references to WW2, Dunkirk, D day etc etc but that doesn't mean those things don't belong to them alone though.


Of course they were and of course victory in the war was a victory for all. As you point out, these soldiers went home and voted in the best government we have had.
Nevertheless, I do not hear any celebration of the workers in the VE day celebrations, and the new date for the bank holiday was a substitute for a day, traditionally celebrated in many countries, which honoured workers as such.

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Re: Bank holiday, are people mad

Postby Psamathe » 26 Aug 2019, 10:59am

I wonder how much negative comment about going away over a Bank Holiday comes down to opportunity.

Being retired I have a slight dislike of weekends, shops are crowded, many businesses closed, roads are busy, etc. but it's a selfish "dislike". I suspect those retired can quite sensibly decide to stay local to home on Bank Holidays as they can easily do their longer travels at other times. But for many their situations make braving the congestion necessary if they are to take the opportunity to get away for a longer break (get a 3 or 4 day weekend).

As a slight digression, I'm always amused at how periodically there are calls for the UK to have more Bank Holidays as we "have fewer than e.g. France". But, at least when I lived there, French Bank Holidays were on the date of the event they are for. So if the event being remembered happens to be e.g. if the "event" for the Bank Holiday was 31 Aug then this year the Bank Holiday would be on a Saturday (a day many have off work anyway) meaning that statistically each year several Bank Holidays will happen on weekends so for many become "lost".

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Re: Bank holiday, are people mad

Postby Mick F » 26 Aug 2019, 11:00am

pete75 wrote:
Mick F wrote:Talking of bank holidays .....................

They're moving the 2020 Early May BH to the following Friday! :shock: :shock:
Many millions of people knew nothing about this, including us.
Instead of being Monday May 4th, it's going to be Friday May 8th ........... all to do with the anniversary of VE Day.

Fetes, fairs, weddings, civic parades, bands, acts, festivals .................... all have been booked years in advance.
No doubt all these things will still go ahead, but it won't be a BH.

Also, diaries, calendars, notebooks, computer software ................ all going to be wrong.

Whoever decided this and why is all well and good, but a couple of years notice would have been better than less than a year.
VE Day was 1945, surely they could have made a decision years ago that the 75th anniversary was coming! :shock:


The least the buggers should have done is give us an extra bank holiday
This, I think, is the nub of the matter.
Leave the Early May BH where it is, and have another special day off.

For the 50th - 1995 - Early May BH - 1st May was moved the Monday 8th May. Not too bad methinks.

How much notice did people get?
To be honest, I can't remember any outcry .................... like there is for 2020 75th being moved to a Friday at short notice! :shock:

My 1995 diary is very much work-based as I was still in the RN then, but May 1st has a note saying "correct at going to press", so they knew there was something being discussed before the diary was in print.

I don't have a 2020 diary yet, but my 2019 one has all the holidays for 2020 and 2021. 2020 has the EM BH as May 4th with no notes that it could be moved.
Mick F. Cornwall

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Re: Bank holiday, are people mad

Postby pete75 » 26 Aug 2019, 2:28pm

Ben@Forest wrote:
661-Pete wrote:But....
Ben@Forest wrote:I have to say being autistic is not an excuse for the tone of the original post of this thread.

isn't that a bit out of order? Like many others, I guess, I wonder why Skyhawk needs to include the word "autistic" in nearly every post (as well as on his sig line). But I don't have the right to criticise. Perhaps it's his way of addressing the issue. Let him come in and explain!


I felt the post was gratuitously dismissive and shading on nasty. People could similarly excuse their words because of conditions, culture, environment, abuses suffered..... then anyone can excuse any attempt at civility.


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Re: Bank holiday, are people mad

Postby mjr » 26 Aug 2019, 4:37pm

pete75 wrote:
Mike Sales wrote:Of course your point is good, but is there very much mention of the workers in the VE celebrations?
There is certainly no mention of workers more generally, which is what May Day was about.


Hmmm most of the servicemen themselves were workers temporarily in uniform for the war. The right may make a lot of references to WW2, Dunkirk, D day etc etc but that doesn't mean those things belong to them alone though.

Of course WW2, D-day, VE Day and VJ Day all belong to the political right wing, representing as they do the emphatic triumph of extreme right countries of the time over extreme left Sovietism... oh hang on a minute(!) ;)
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Re: Bank holiday, are people mad

Postby Ben@Forest » 26 Aug 2019, 7:08pm

mjr wrote:Of course WW2, D-day, VE Day and VJ Day all belong to the political right wing, representing as they do the emphatic triumph of extreme right countries of the time over extreme left Sovietism... oh hang on a minute(!) ;)


I'm not sure where genuine sentiment ends and sarcasm starts here but (with the possible exception of the UN-endorsed Korean War) WW2 is pretty much the only war this country has fought for all the right reasons.

But the harder left have a difficult relationship with WW2, they supported the Nazis through the Ribbentrop-Molotov agreement and were ambivalent about Stalinism. Since then they have always been quicker to recognise or rail against Western imperialism than that of the Soviets (or Russians) and the Chinese.

I don't know how politically motivated the results of 1945 were, by 5 years later the Labour Party could not secure a decent majority. People, as much now as then, are fickle.