Diplomatic Immunity?

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Re: Diplomatic Immunity?

Postby Tangled Metal » 15 Oct 2019, 4:44pm

I had a Jewish mate at university, not that you'd know it. He'd be packed off to university with a hamper if homemade kosher food. Once at university he'd be eating bacon bottles and his favourite pizza Hawaiian with the ham on it.

But come time to go home he got picked up by parents and became kosher again. I think he used to give most of the hamper away because he didn't like the kosher meals.

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Re: Diplomatic Immunity?

Postby 661-Pete » 15 Oct 2019, 5:38pm

You'd be surprised at how many different interpretations of "kosher" there are amongst not-so-observant Jews. Possibly my parental home was unique in its inconsistency? Very early in life, I must have learnt that pork was taboo - but I didn't yet know that bacon was a form of pork, so there I was tucking into a Full English at a B&B - until my father stopped me! And I had no idea that meat had to be 'kosher' - that is, slaughtered in accordance with shechita - until I was taught about it in cheder (Jewish religion lessons). My mother would buy the meat from Sainsbury's (hardly kosher, that!) except on a few special occasions; then my father would intervene, and insist that the meat had to be koshered: that is, soaked in water for half an hour, then sprinkled with salt and left for an hour, before cooking.

All this was utterly inconsistent!

On top of that my father insisted on meat-and-milk separation - up to a point. We had to have separate plates and cutlery for meat and milk - but my father didn't mind if we had both at the same meal. I shan't waste time explaining what's wrong here!

Oh and to cap it all - my father was extremely fond of crab-meat. Once again, look it up under Jewish dietary laws...

Today? Mrs P (who's non-Jewish) and I don't eat any meat, whether kosher, halal, or neither. At least that's consistent! But we eat plenty of seafood: crab, shrimps, mussels, etc. That's a violation of Jewish laws....
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Re: Diplomatic Immunity?

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 15 Nov 2019, 9:51am

Hi
Back on topic –

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... x-49394519

"A British woman accused of killing a patient by giving her botched buttock-enhancement injections has been extradited to the US to face trial."

"If she is convicted, the extradition order stipulates Ms Francis cannot be sentenced to more than one year in a US jail"

Edited – because she skipped the country that's the USA back to Britain and was then extradited she only see one year in jail!
A loophole no doubt.
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Re: Diplomatic Immunity?

Postby gaz » 15 Nov 2019, 11:54am

NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Edited – because she skipped the country that's the USA back to Britain and was then extradited she only see one year in jail!
A loophole no doubt.

When I read that I felt the key part was "Ms Francis cannot be sentenced to more than one year in a US jail", i.e. A longer sentence would be possible but on the understanding that she will be able to serve the remainder in the UK.

Seems I was wrong. Her sentence is one year and the extradition agreement even specified a particular US jail in which she will serve her sentence.

Hard to see anybody being happy with the outcome.

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Re: Diplomatic Immunity?

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 21 Dec 2019, 10:45am

Hi,
CPS announced that they will be charging Harry duns US killer.
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Re: Diplomatic Immunity?

Postby Bonefishblues » 21 Dec 2019, 11:52am

Which will, despite the fact that it will make not a blind bit of difference, "Bring some comfort to Harry's parents".

So said the Chief Constable of Northants yesterday.

Not sure how I feel about that, tbh.

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Re: Diplomatic Immunity?

Postby Mike Sales » 21 Dec 2019, 12:00pm

Bonefishblues wrote:Which will, despite the fact that it will make not a blind bit of difference, "Bring some comfort to Harry's parents".

So said the Chief Constable of Northants yesterday.

Not sure how I feel about that, tbh.


They might feel better than if she were brought back here, tried, and received the usual derisory sentence given in similar cases.

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Re: Diplomatic Immunity?

Postby Oldjohnw » 21 Dec 2019, 12:17pm

Her sentence will depend on what she's been charged with. Anyone know?
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Re: Diplomatic Immunity?

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Re: Diplomatic Immunity?

Postby Bonefishblues » 21 Dec 2019, 12:23pm

Mike Sales wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:Which will, despite the fact that it will make not a blind bit of difference, "Bring some comfort to Harry's parents".

So said the Chief Constable of Northants yesterday.

Not sure how I feel about that, tbh.


They might feel better than if she were brought back here, tried, and received the usual derisory sentence given in similar cases.

She's refusing to return in any event, because it was an unfortunate unintended accident.

I suppose I was alluding to the CC prioritising making the victim's family feel better.

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Re: Diplomatic Immunity?

Postby Mike Sales » 21 Dec 2019, 12:25pm

Oldjohnw wrote:Her sentence will depend on what she's been charged with. Anyone know?


I read that she has been charged with "causing death by dangerous driving" which has a maximum of fourteen years imprisonment.

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Re: Diplomatic Immunity?

Postby Oldjohnw » 21 Dec 2019, 12:52pm

Mike Sales wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:Her sentence will depend on what she's been charged with. Anyone know?


I read that she has been charged with "causing death by dangerous driving" which has a maximum of fourteen years imprisonment.


If the maximum was applied that would not be derisory.

OTH, the US forced a terrible extradition treaty on the UK, which largely means that UK citizens can be extradited but not the other way round.
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Re: Diplomatic Immunity?

Postby Mike Sales » 21 Dec 2019, 12:55pm

Oldjohnw wrote:
Mike Sales wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:Her sentence will depend on what she's been charged with. Anyone know?


I read that she has been charged with "causing death by dangerous driving" which has a maximum of fourteen years imprisonment.


If the maximum was applied that would not be derisory.

OTH, the US forced a terrible extradition treaty on the UK, which largely means that UK citizens can be extradited but not the other way round.


It would not, if it were applied, which would be unusual, to say the least.

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Re: Diplomatic Immunity?

Postby Oldjohnw » 21 Dec 2019, 1:30pm

When I worked around prisons there were many serving such long sentences.
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Re: Diplomatic Immunity?

Postby Mike Sales » 21 Dec 2019, 1:36pm

Oldjohnw wrote:When I worked around prisons there were many serving such long sentences.


We have a special thread in this forum for recording lenient sentencing for drivers who caused death by dangerous driving. It is now up to its 28th. page.

https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=50829