** The General Election Thread **

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Re: ** The General Election Thread **

Postby mercalia » 11 Dec 2019, 2:02pm

Prompted by some thing I heard on the World At One ( or just after ) Maybe only people likely to be alive after a 5 years Parliament should be allowed to vote as why should they inflict consequences on others, on their death bed ? Might eliminate a few tories? :wink:

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Postby Mick F » 11 Dec 2019, 3:26pm

That's a good idea.
Only let young people vote .............. but not old people.

Voting age reduced to 15years old and with a cutout at 50years old. :shock:
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Re: ** The General Election Thread **

Postby Debs » 11 Dec 2019, 3:29pm

Waiting for tomorrow evening's election result is like waiting for an impending train crash. Engine driver Boris hopelessly fumbling the controls as it steams full pelt to the buffers with a Get Brexit Done sign on the smoke box door.

But it will be jolly interesting to see how the 650 constituency results pan out, bet there will be some shockers!

The only glimmer of hope i can see is the 1.2m Ex-pats who, apparently, are galvanised and motivated into voting tactically for Remain parties, and the reported 3m young voters who are not only committed to actually casting their votes, but assumably will in the main be tactical for pro-remain.
But will it be enough to swing the swingometer in the right direction? :?

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Re: ** The General Election Thread **

Postby Spinners » 11 Dec 2019, 4:52pm

Thankfully, we've only had one candidate knock the door - a nice Labour lady doing our side of the street whilst Stephen Kinnock was knocking the doors on the other side of the street - fair play to him. When I told her that I wouldn't be voting for Labour because I just can't vote for a party led by Corbyn she gave me a sympathetic look that seemed to say, "Yes, I know what you mean". I'm still undecided but Green or Plaid Cymru will probably get my vote I think - or I might just scrawl 'none of the above' on my ballot paper (apparently some countries have this option). Anyway, all a bit academic really as the Aberavon constituency where I live is one of the safest Labour seats in the UK.

Judging by the number of people north of the Watford Gap I've heard on the radio or TV saying that they've always voted Labour but will "vote for Boris" this time around I think it will be a working majority for the Tories.
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Postby PDQ Mobile » 11 Dec 2019, 5:23pm

Spinners wrote:Thankfully, we've only had one candidate knock the door - a nice Labour lady doing our side of the street whilst Stephen Kinnock was knocking the doors on the other side of the street - fair play to him. When I told her that I wouldn't be voting for Labour because I just can't vote for a party led by Corbyn she gave me a sympathetic look that seemed to say, "Yes, I know what you mean". I'm still undecided but Green or Plaid Cymru will probably get my vote I think - or I might just scrawl 'none of the above' on my ballot paper (apparently some countries have this option). Anyway, all a bit academic really as the Aberavon constituency where I live is one of the safest Labour seats in the UK.

Judging by the number of people north of the Watford Gap I've heard on the radio or TV saying that they've always voted Labour but will "vote for Boris" this time around I think it will be a working majority for the Tories.

I find it pretty extraordinary that "pwa", and now "spinners", have stated that Corbyn, and Corbyn alone, are their reasons for not voting for a change of Govt.

Corbyn's party have put forward a manifesto which some commentators have described as "greener than the Greens".
Corbyn himself had been described, on here and elsewhere, as a "man of principle" and a "nice guy" by even some of his strongest critics.

What those critics actually criticize him for is less clear to me?

But the fact remains that those same critics will apparently be happy for this awful Govt to stay in power for another 5 years.
Five more years of inequality and xenophobia! An economy teetering on the brink. Closer ties to Trump's America too maybe.

It is my strongly held personal view that the constant attacks from much of the UK Press are to blame for this perception of Corbyn.
Indeed both "pwa" and "spinners" consume a deal of said popular press, IMV. It influences opinion in the end.

So often we have had interviews on the BBC where it has been stated "I don't like Corbyn" but a solid reason "why" is seldom forthcoming.

Corbyn's position on Brexit seemed reasonable to me. He, as a EU sceptic, would stand aside from the debate. We are after all very divided on the issue and some compromise on the issue is long overdue from both sides.

I guess in the end, as has been said before, we get usually the Govt we deserve.
But decided on the cult of personality it would seem, and NOT policy. Sad.

Anyone seen Rees Mogg? Anywhere?

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Re: ** The General Election Thread **

Postby Oldjohnw » 11 Dec 2019, 5:30pm

ReesMogg? In some fridge or something.
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Postby windmiller » 11 Dec 2019, 5:42pm

It's obvious that Cummings has "advised" Mogg to keep a low profile until the election is over. Mogg is beyond the pale for most of the ex Labour voters who are going to vote for the tories tomorrow.

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Re: ** The General Election Thread **

Postby Mick F » 11 Dec 2019, 5:47pm

Thirdcrank's father has been quoted as "What wold happen if everybody did that"? :D

Taking this argument to extreme as TC's father suggested, what would it be like if every single constituency voted for the same party?
600odd MPs all of the same party?
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Postby PDQ Mobile » 11 Dec 2019, 5:53pm

windmiller wrote:It's obvious that Cummings has "advised" Mogg to keep a low profile until the election is over. Mogg is beyond the pale for most of the ex Labour voters who are going to vote for the tories tomorrow.


There you have it folks!
Straight from someone in the know!

Rees Mogg might just lose his seat of course.
But I see Foxy "the gunrunner" (who is also absent from view) is in the other and adjacent Somerset constituency.

I always thought Somerset was quite a nice place.
I must have been deceived by cider and scenery. :shock: :shock:

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Postby Mick F » 11 Dec 2019, 6:14pm

I have two votes tomorrow. Mine will be X in the Labour slot and as I'm a proxy voter for Mrs Mick F as she's abroad in Africa at the moment, she want's me to put X in Labour too.

There's no way on God's Earth that we would ever consider voting for Tory Sheryll Murray. :shock: :shock:

The mere fact that our Labour candidate is ex-RN Gareth Derrick, is besides the point.
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Re: ** The General Election Thread **

Postby robing » 11 Dec 2019, 6:16pm

Diane Abbott has also been keeping a low profile in this campaign. Maybe because her son was charged with spitting at and biting a police officer.

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Postby mikeonabike » 11 Dec 2019, 6:21pm

For anyone thinking of voting Tory, here's a nice clear account of how the Tory establishment fake-news machine went into action to discredit the story about the boy on the hospital floor.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... shire-post

They have clearly been learning some high-tech skills from their Russian friends.

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Postby PDQ Mobile » 11 Dec 2019, 7:26pm

mikeonabike wrote:For anyone thinking of voting Tory, here's a nice clear account of how the Tory establishment fake-news machine went into action to discredit the story about the boy on the hospital floor.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... shire-post

They have clearly been learning some high-tech skills from their Russian friends.

It's pretty distubing stuff that.
As an aside I googled the Abbott story alluded to in the previous post.
The three top results I got were Telegragh, D Mail and the Express. I could only read the Mail in full because I don't accept cookies.
The Mail website has some very strange behaviours with a flashing drop down telling me the story had been shared 39k times!!

The disturbing Guardian article cited above is without any strange behaviours.

Whether Ms Abbott is keeping a low profile or not is hard to say as any coverage, interwiews or policy statements from nearly any Labour spokesperson seem very suppressed in the msinstream Media generally.

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Re: ** The General Election Thread **

Postby reohn2 » 11 Dec 2019, 8:09pm

PDQ Mobile wrote:
Spinners wrote:Thankfully, we've only had one candidate knock the door - a nice Labour lady doing our side of the street whilst Stephen Kinnock was knocking the doors on the other side of the street - fair play to him. When I told her that I wouldn't be voting for Labour because I just can't vote for a party led by Corbyn she gave me a sympathetic look that seemed to say, "Yes, I know what you mean". I'm still undecided but Green or Plaid Cymru will probably get my vote I think - or I might just scrawl 'none of the above' on my ballot paper (apparently some countries have this option). Anyway, all a bit academic really as the Aberavon constituency where I live is one of the safest Labour seats in the UK.

Judging by the number of people north of the Watford Gap I've heard on the radio or TV saying that they've always voted Labour but will "vote for Boris" this time around I think it will be a working majority for the Tories.

I find it pretty extraordinary that "pwa", and now "spinners", have stated that Corbyn, and Corbyn alone, are their reasons for not voting for a change of Govt.

Corbyn's party have put forward a manifesto which some commentators have described as "greener than the Greens".
Corbyn himself had been described, on here and elsewhere, as a "man of principle" and a "nice guy" by even some of his strongest critics.

What those critics actually criticize him for is less clear to me?

But the fact remains that those same critics will apparently be happy for this awful Govt to stay in power for another 5 years.
Five more years of inequality and xenophobia! An economy teetering on the brink. Closer ties to Trump's America too maybe.

It is my strongly held personal view that the constant attacks from much of the UK Press are to blame for this perception of Corbyn.
Indeed both "pwa" and "spinners" consume a deal of said popular press, IMV. It influences opinion in the end.

So often we have had interviews on the BBC where it has been stated "I don't like Corbyn" but a solid reason "why" is seldom forthcoming.

Corbyn's position on Brexit seemed reasonable to me. He, as a EU sceptic, would stand aside from the debate. We are after all very divided on the issue and some compromise on the issue is long overdue from both sides.

I guess in the end, as has been said before, we get usually the Govt we deserve.
But decided on the cult of personality it would seem, and NOT policy. Sad.

Anyone seen Rees Mogg? Anywhere?

Thanks for that very reasonable assessment of what people are being led to erroneously believe by a rightwing character assination of a thoroughly decent individual.
As for the Tories,what a bunch of crooks and liars.
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Re: ** The General Election Thread **

Postby Polisman » 11 Dec 2019, 8:14pm

It appears Rees Mogg had joined the National Socialist party, of pre war Germany. :shock:
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