** The General Election Thread **

[djnotts]

"When I told her that I wouldn't be voting for Labour because I just can't vote for a party led by Corbyn ..."

Telling how many have voted Labour to salve their social conscience in the trust that won't actually be a Socialist government, which is of course what Labour is meant to be. At least now shedding the secret, self-guilt,Tories.

[PH]

Diane Abbott has also been keeping a low profile in this campaign. Maybe because her son was charged with spitting at and biting a police officer.

And you think she should be judged on the actions of her son?

[Paulatic]

Kunsberg and the BBC breaking the rules again today revealing the postal votes. I’ve long been wary of postal votes and this is one of the reasons why.
https://twitter.com/brexit_sham/status/ ... 8327887872
We are told no one sees the papers so either that rule is not adhered to or Laura is spreading outright lies in favour of Tories. TM said earlier today she’s not Tory enough I think she fits in very well.
So is this election now null and void?

[robing]

Diane Abbott has also been keeping a low profile in this campaign. Maybe because her son was charged with spitting at and biting a police officer.

And you think she should be judged on the actions of her son?

YES = especially as she is Shadow home Secretary!!

[reohn2]

Diane Abbott has also been keeping a low profile in this campaign. Maybe because her son was charged with spitting at and biting a police officer.

And you think she should be judged on the actions of her son?

YES = especially as she is Shadow home Secretary!!

Waddabout the queen then?
Or anyone else FTM

[Oldjohnw]

Kunsberg and the BBC breaking the rules again today revealing the postal votes. I’ve long been wary of postal votes and this is one of the reasons why.
https://twitter.com/brexit_sham/status/ ... 8327887872
We are told no one sees the papers so either that rule is not adhered to or Laura is spreading outright lies in favour of Tories. TM said earlier today she’s not Tory enough I think she fits in very well.
So is this election now null and void?

Raab has been on camera joking about seeing the votes.

When we are in danger of an authoritarian regime - and the tendencies are scattered throughout the Tory manifesto - journalists, especially public service journalists, should not repeat propoganda but challenge. Too many times recently the BBC have been the mouthpiece of the Tory party.

[reohn2]

Kunsberg and the BBC breaking the rules again today revealing the postal votes. I’ve long been wary of postal votes and this is one of the reasons why.
https://twitter.com/brexit_sham/status/ ... 8327887872
We are told no one sees the papers so either that rule is not adhered to or Laura is spreading outright lies in favour of Tories. TM said earlier today she’s not Tory enough I think she fits in very well.
So is this election now null and void?

Raab has been on camera joking about seeing the votes.

When we are in danger of an authoritarian regime - and the tendencies are scattered throughout the Tory manifesto - journalists, especially public service journalists, should not repeat propoganda but challenge. Too many times recently the BBC have been the mouthpiece of the Tory party.

Quite!
One wonders how much better Labour would do with a more balanced and honest media.

[mjr]

Euronews is running explanations for its viewers of our bum-about-face voting method which means the government is actually decided by about 40 constituencies. They say nowhere else in the EU still uses it! The closest is France with run-off two-round voting but most are some sort of system that aims to represent the public's proportions more accurately - and the claim that the UK system delivers stable government is rather contradicted by the third election in four and a bit years, with only Spain having more lately.

[pwa]

No electoral system guarantees producing a government that can govern but the UK system tends to do that better than most. It failed last time, and has done so before, but it often comes up with the goods. At least in terms of producing a government with a majority. The worst system among First World nations has to be the US system that seems to almost continuously produce a president who cannot legislate because another tier of government is controlled by the opposition. Probably a good thing at the moment though.

[Mick F]

Anyone voted yet?

I'm off out to do a spot of shopping after a cuppa. I'll park in the village on my way through to Tavistock and pop into the village hall to do the deed.

[roubaixtuesday]

High turnout so far reported when I voted first thing.

[Oldjohnw]

No electoral system guarantees producing a government that can govern but the UK system tends to do that better than most. It failed last time, and has done so before, but it often comes up with the goods. At least in terms of producing a government with a majority. The worst system among First World nations has to be the US system that seems to almost continuously produce a president who cannot legislate because another tier of government is controlled by the opposition. Probably a good thing at the moment though.

You mean we didn't get a result where a right wing minority couldn't get their own way?

[Vorpal]

No electoral system guarantees producing a government that can govern but the UK system tends to do that better than most. It failed last time, and has done so before, but it often comes up with the goods. At least in terms of producing a government with a majority. The worst system among First World nations has to be the US system that seems to almost continuously produce a president who cannot legislate because another tier of government is controlled by the opposition. Probably a good thing at the moment though.

Legislation is not the president's job. Like the UK, there is balance between the legislative branch of government, the judicial branch, and the executive branch. The US president is not a legislator. They can only veto or sign legislation. They can create executive orders which can accomplish some of the same things that legislation can. However, it is generally easier to overturn, and furthermore, Congress can pass legislation to reverse or supercede executive orders. The reson for this is to prevent the abuse of power by the president.

I'm not convinced that it is the worst system. It does have some failings, including the outdated 'electoral college'. I think if the electoral college is to be retained, that states should apply their votes proportionally.

[pwa]

No electoral system guarantees producing a government that can govern but the UK system tends to do that better than most. It failed last time, and has done so before, but it often comes up with the goods. At least in terms of producing a government with a majority. The worst system among First World nations has to be the US system that seems to almost continuously produce a president who cannot legislate because another tier of government is controlled by the opposition. Probably a good thing at the moment though.

You mean we didn't get a result where a right wing minority couldn't get their own way?

In that instance yes. But there is a case for having a system that delivers some sort of result so we get government. Government without tiny minorities demanding legislation that few people want. That's not fair either.

[roubaixtuesday]

No electoral system guarantees producing a government that can govern but the UK system tends to do that better than most. It failed last time, and has done so before, but it often comes up with the goods. At least in terms of producing a government with a majority. The worst system among First World nations has to be the US system that seems to almost continuously produce a president who cannot legislate because another tier of government is controlled by the opposition. Probably a good thing at the moment though.

Legislation is not the president's job. Like the UK, there is balance between the legislative branch of government, the judicial branch, and the executive branch. The US president is not a legislator. They can only veto or sign legislation. They can create executive orders which can accomplish some of the same things that legislation can. However, it is generally easier to overturn, and furthermore, Congress can pass legislation to reverse or supercede executive orders. The reson for this is to prevent the abuse of power by the president.

I'm not convinced that it is the worst system. It does have some failings, including the outdated 'electoral college'. I think if the electoral college is to be retained, that states should apply their votes proportionally.

I believe there are a couple of states (Nebraska, Maine) which do this already