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Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Posted: 13 Feb 2020, 5:20pm
by reohn2
Bonefishblues wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:
carpetcleaner wrote:
What if he is? The PM is free to ask anyone he likes for their views on who should be in the cabinet or not, and he is free to ignore or to follow their advice.

All PMs have employed unelected advisors. It is the norm, and anyone who thinks it is a novelty isn't too aware of how things have always worked.


I am aware of how things work: believe me, there is nothing normal about the current lot.

Presidential, innit.

Presidential copy catting AFAICS.

Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Posted: 13 Feb 2020, 5:34pm
by 661-Pete
Re today's "long knives" happenings, I'm reminded of an old footballing quote (probably apocryphal):
"It was like the ref. had a new red card and wanted to see how it worked..."
Well, it seems BoJo has likewise got hold of one of those red cards, and is equally curious to try it out.
Echoes of Macmillan (if anyone can remember that far back)...

Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Posted: 13 Feb 2020, 5:56pm
by PH
661-Pete wrote:Echoes of Macmillan (if anyone can remember that far back)...

The big difference is that reshuffle came more than two years after the GE and this one after a few weeks. It seems the Attorney General went for supplying the wrong kind of advice, to be replaced by one who thinks that judges trespass into politics. None of it surprises me and it's only just begun.

Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Posted: 13 Feb 2020, 6:11pm
by mercalia
PH wrote:
661-Pete wrote:Echoes of Macmillan (if anyone can remember that far back)...

The big difference is that reshuffle came more than two years after the GE and this one after a few weeks. It seems the Attorney General went for supplying the wrong kind of advice, to be replaced by one who thinks that judges trespass into politics. None of it surprises me and it's only just begun.


Will be interesting to see what happens now. Will Boris end up as the most hated PM since Thatcher, since it will all be "I did it my way" and no one to blame but him self (and Cummings)

Maybe we could all chip in to pay a doctor to diagnose Boris with Cancer? :wink:

Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Posted: 13 Feb 2020, 6:47pm
by PDQ Mobile
For any crossword fans has anyone looked at anagrams of "Rishi Sunak"?

Couldn't resist popping it on here.
Lowering the tone and all that.

I have to say Javid's resignation gave me one of the more cheerful days for a while.
Birds sang and there was a definite spring in my step.

Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Posted: 13 Feb 2020, 8:09pm
by mercalia
PDQ Mobile wrote:For any crossword fans has anyone looked at anagrams of "Rishi Sunak"?

Couldn't resist popping it on here.
Lowering the tone and all that.

I have to say Javid's resignation gave me one of the more cheerful days for a while.
Birds sang and there was a definite spring in my step.


then you stepped in some thing from Rishi Sunak on the ground, 'cause you werent looking where you were going

Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Posted: 13 Feb 2020, 8:21pm
by PDQ Mobile
I always look where I'm going.
Even at night. :wink:

It's the other unlit dreamers that cause the risk. :shock:

I think the anagram has slightly more subtle meaning actually.
May well be apt though.
What's in a name?

Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Posted: 13 Feb 2020, 8:53pm
by carpetcleaner
Oldjohnw wrote:
carpetcleaner wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:I see Javid has resigned because he won't accept #10 imposing advisers. I'm no fan of Javid and he has rolled over far too many times but at least this time he has done the right thing.

It appears that Dominic Cummings, member of nowhere, is appointing the cabinet.


What if he is? The PM is free to ask anyone he likes for their views on who should be in the cabinet or not, and he is free to ignore or to follow their advice.

All PMs have employed unelected advisors. It is the norm, and anyone who thinks it is a novelty isn't too aware of how things have always worked.


I am aware of how things work: believe me, there is nothing normal about the current lot.


PM takes advice from paid, unelected aide. Sounds normal enough to me. When did it not happen?

Those getting all excited about Mr Cummings are perhaps too young to remember Alistair Campbell, a man dubbed by the press as Mr Blair's real deputy prime minister.

Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Posted: 13 Feb 2020, 9:08pm
by PH
carpetcleaner wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:
carpetcleaner wrote:
What if he is? The PM is free to ask anyone he likes for their views on who should be in the cabinet or not, and he is free to ignore or to follow their advice.

All PMs have employed unelected advisors. It is the norm, and anyone who thinks it is a novelty isn't too aware of how things have always worked.


I am aware of how things work: believe me, there is nothing normal about the current lot.


PM takes advice from paid, unelected aide. Sounds normal enough to me. When did it not happen?

Those getting all excited about Mr Cummings are perhaps too young to remember Alistair Campbell, a man dubbed by the press as Mr Blair's real deputy prime minister.

Have you an example of any PM instructing a minister to sack all their advisers? Any Government, any Party, any Ministry, any period in history, a single example will do, just the one.
Maybe you have an example of a Chancellor who hasn't lasted long enough to present a budget? Again, just one from any time will do.
If not, your insistence that this is normal is laughable.

Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Posted: 13 Feb 2020, 9:15pm
by pete75
carpetcleaner wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:
carpetcleaner wrote:
What if he is? The PM is free to ask anyone he likes for their views on who should be in the cabinet or not, and he is free to ignore or to follow their advice.

All PMs have employed unelected advisors. It is the norm, and anyone who thinks it is a novelty isn't too aware of how things have always worked.


I am aware of how things work: believe me, there is nothing normal about the current lot.


PM takes advice from paid, unelected aide. Sounds normal enough to me. When did it not happen?

Those getting all excited about Mr Cummings are perhaps too young to remember Alistair Campbell, a man dubbed by the press as Mr Blair's real deputy prime minister.


Press secretary in the same way that Bernard Ingham was for Mrs Thatcher. Who dubbed him Blair's real deputy PM?

Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Posted: 13 Feb 2020, 10:49pm
by 661-Pete
PDQ Mobile wrote:For any crossword fans has anyone looked at anagrams of "Rishi Sunak"?

Couldn't resist popping it on here.
Lowering the tone and all that.

I have to say Javid's resignation gave me one of the more cheerful days for a while.
Birds sang and there was a definite spring in my step.
Well - as a 'crossword fan' myself (both as setter and solver), I couldn't resist fetching out the Scrabble letters - but this collection beats me. Best I can come up with is ASK? I RUSH IN! If you've come out with something more salacious or risqué, spit it out! (forum rules permitting!)

Talking of anagrams, I can't help but plug one of my own :oops: . This is one of the longest clues I ever dreamt up - maybe not my best, but good for a chuckle. Can anyone suss it?
Famous last words: “Gee Mum, I... yes I must be mad to join in a stag do in disguise!” (1,2,4,5,7,3,3,2,4,4)
Come to think of it - strongly suggestive of the fate of poor Mr Javid...

Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Posted: 13 Feb 2020, 11:07pm
by Oldjohnw
Anybody remember that holiday costing £15k but you cannot remember who paid?

Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Posted: 14 Feb 2020, 12:06am
by PDQ Mobile
661-Pete wrote:Well - as a 'crossword fan' myself (both as setter and solver), I couldn't resist fetching out the Scrabble letters - but this collection beats me. Best I can come up with is ASK? I RUSH IN! If you've come out with something more salacious or risqué, spit it out!

Your starter for 10.
Hi risk ....

Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Posted: 14 Feb 2020, 6:32am
by Cunobelin
We were discusing t=his qualifications as a Chancellor:

Worked at Golfman Sachs
Managed Hedge Funds
Married to money (billionare family)
Does what Dominic Cummings says.

Cynically a perfect fit for the current party

Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Posted: 14 Feb 2020, 7:10am
by pete75
Cunobelin wrote:We were discusing t=his qualifications as a Chancellor:

Worked at Golfman Sachs
Managed Hedge Funds
Married to money (billionare family)
Does what Dominic Cummings says.

A perfect fit for the current party


FTFY