Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

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Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Postby roubaixtuesday » 21 Feb 2020, 5:46pm

Bonefishblues wrote:I think that you have got the wrong end of the stick in terms of what he was saying. He was absolutely not saying that the service was decadent. He was saying that our recent reliance on low paid labour was what was decadent as a country.


No, I understand him exactly as you do.

What I'm saying is that to describe this as "decadence" is easy when you can afford the consequences of doing otherwise, which will be that thousands of the poorer in our society will find care unavailable to them.

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Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Postby pete75 » 21 Feb 2020, 6:12pm

mercalia wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
I was absolutely appalled by that.

It's easy to label something as decadent when you have the means to avoid the consequences.

I'm not sure how decadent those whose loved ones rely on the NHS and care services are.

Portillo espousing a policy that will deny these people care in order to garner nationalist votes whilst the rich like him are OK? - now that's decadent.

I think that you have got the wrong end of the stick in terms of what he was saying. He was absolutely not saying that the service was decadent. He was saying that our recent reliance on low paid labour was what was decadent as a country.


Tha sounds more reasonable. When ever I have heard him speak he seems a level headed guy and a loss to politics? What we get now are patels and cummings.


He's changed for the better since he lost his seat in the 1997 election. Lost his arrogance and developed some understanding and humility. He's also a great friend of Diane Abbott and has been since their schooldays.

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Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Postby mercalia » 21 Feb 2020, 8:03pm

Does this sound familair?


In his January State of the Union, President Trump hailed the "great American comeback", stating: "Jobs are booming. Incomes are soaring. Poverty is plummeting… the years of economic decay are over."
same script as ______ _____________?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51578045

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Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Postby Bonefishblues » 21 Feb 2020, 9:56pm

roubaixtuesday wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:I think that you have got the wrong end of the stick in terms of what he was saying. He was absolutely not saying that the service was decadent. He was saying that our recent reliance on low paid labour was what was decadent as a country.


No, I understand him exactly as you do.

What I'm saying is that to describe this as "decadence" is easy when you can afford the consequences of doing otherwise, which will be that thousands of the poorer in our society will find care unavailable to them.

You've interpreted it in a different way to me. Happy to leave it at that, thanks. I am not affronted, I found it an insightful comment.

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Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Postby Oldjohnw » 22 Feb 2020, 6:12am

Today, forget floods and racist rants on BBCQT, you can get your British Blue Passport. You know, the ones made by a French firm in Poland.

All is well after all.
John

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Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Postby Cunobelin » 22 Feb 2020, 8:57am

Oldjohnw wrote:Today, forget floods and racist rants on BBCQT, you can get your British Blue Passport. You know, the ones made by a French firm in Poland.

All is well after all.


I am applying for an Irish one to retain the EU access

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Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Postby Cunobelin » 22 Feb 2020, 8:59am

reohn2 wrote:
Psamathe wrote:The NHS currently has 10,000 un-filled vacancies (and it's getting worse) and you are suggesting cutting their salaries!

Ian

Incredible innit?



You have to allow though that it is no less sensible than some of the official Government policies

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Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Postby Cunobelin » 22 Feb 2020, 9:01am

carpetcleaner wrote:
pwa wrote:
carpetcleaner wrote:

Perhaps the shortage is indicative of a lack of people in the general population who have a vocation to serve in our health care system.

Those already on the payroll have such a vocation and so it could be possible to cut their wages as they would not leave, happy to see the money used to help the care system. People with a vocation don't work for money, but for the love of the job.

So perhaps the answer is lower wages for existing staff and higher ones to attract recruits who don't have a vocation and who expect to be paid a market rate for their skills.

I know existing staff, including one highly experienced nurse who told her colleagues one evening that she had gone home and cried the night before, she would do the same that day, and she expected to do likewise the next day. She had just been criticised for not being constantly at the bedside of someone who she was supposed to be giving one-to-one attention to, having also been told to do the same with two other patients! She was teetering on the edge of cracking. What do you think would happen if she were told she would be paid less so others could be paid more?


To a person with a true vocation I wouldn't expect it to matter at all so long as she was getting a wage sufficient to live on.


Define "vocation"?

Your current usage of the term seems to show an ignorance of its actual meaning

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Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Postby 661-Pete » 22 Feb 2020, 9:11am

Oldjohnw wrote:Today, forget floods and racist rants on BBCQT, you can get your British Blue Passport. You know, the ones made by a French firm in Poland.

All is well after all.
Oh dear! I feel a song coming:
♫♪ Passports will be blue, blue, blue,
♫♪ How about you, you, you,
♫♪ You can have one too, too, too!
♫♪ Since we left the EU, EU, EU......
Sorry about that folks!
Suppose that this room is a lift. The support breaks and down we go with ever-increasing velocity.
Let us pass the time by performing physical experiments...
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Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Postby reohn2 » 22 Feb 2020, 9:18am

Cunobelin wrote:Define "vocation"?

Your current usage of the term seems to show an ignorance of its actual meaning

I think it's intentional from our winderuperer friend.
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Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Postby Oldjohnw » 22 Feb 2020, 9:21am

reohn2 wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:
carpetcleaner wrote:
To a person with a true vocation I wouldn't expect it to matter at all so long as she was getting a wage sufficient to live on.


Define "vocation"?

Your current usage of the term seems to show an ignorance of its actual meaning

I think it's intentional from our winderuperer friend.


Therein lies the problem. Today's lower end NHS staff, all true dedicated professionals, barely get a wage sufficient to live on.
John

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Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Postby Bonefishblues » 22 Feb 2020, 9:35am

Cunobelin wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:Today, forget floods and racist rants on BBCQT, you can get your British Blue Passport. You know, the ones made by a French firm in Poland.

All is well after all.


I am applying for an Irish one to retain the EU access

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What's the scoop on that - can anyone do it? Would I forfeit UK Nationality etc?

Serious consideration now the deed is done :?

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Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Postby Oldjohnw » 22 Feb 2020, 9:38am

Bonefishblues wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:Today, forget floods and racist rants on BBCQT, you can get your British Blue Passport. You know, the ones made by a French firm in Poland.

All is well after all.


I am applying for an Irish one to retain the EU access

Image

What's the scoop on that - can anyone do it? Would I forfeit UK Nationality etc?

Serious consideration now the deed is done :?


I believe you need an Irish grandparent. I qualify but have no relatives left so too difficult to get details and proof.
John

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Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Postby Cunobelin » 22 Feb 2020, 10:13am

Bonefishblues wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:Today, forget floods and racist rants on BBCQT, you can get your British Blue Passport. You know, the ones made by a French firm in Poland.

All is well after all.


I am applying for an Irish one to retain the EU access

Image

What's the scoop on that - can anyone do it? Would I forfeit UK Nationality etc?

Serious consideration now the deed is done :?


You need to have a suitable "connection" (my Wife is Irish) It is then simply a second Passport, you can "choose" which one you use

Maintains the same access and travelling rights as I have at the moment

I could also maintain the EHIC, but would have a personal problem with that as I don't pay taxes to cover any cost.

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Re: Boris Johnson: Why is a proven liar in power?

Postby carpetcleaner » 22 Feb 2020, 10:38am

Oldjohnw wrote:Today, forget floods and racist rants on BBCQT, you can get your British Blue Passport. You know, the ones made by a French firm in Poland.

All is well after all.


They won't have the words European Union on the front. That's all that matters to me. Also, I look forward to the removal of the EU symbol from documents and elsewhere, and the lowering of UK based EU flags. The EU is very keen on displaying its symbol and that attitude does not appeal to me at all. I'm suspicious of organisations and ideologies which go in for flag waving and symbol flaunting probably because communism and Nazism, both recent European inventions, were very keen on it.