J'aime la France

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J'aime la France

Postby mercalia » 5 Dec 2019, 11:53am

well not for the next few days? if you are traveling there, as the country is in shutdown mode?


When I read down the page

France currently has a system comprising dozens of different schemes and Mr Macron wants to create a unified system, which he says would be more fair.

His new plan aims to reward employees for each day worked, awarding points that would later be transferred into future pension benefits.

The official retirement age has been raised in the last decade from 60 to 62, but remains one of the lowest among the OECD group of rich nations - in the UK, for example, the retirement age is 66.

wow no wonder they are protesting, can I get adopted by some one in France? pls. :lol:

Any one living there tell us from the horses mouth how bad it is?

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Re: J'aime la France

Postby Audax67 » 5 Dec 2019, 2:24pm

Well, the shops are open and the post was delivered. For the rest, being retired, I've hardly bothered to look.

From what I've seen it's mainly the SNCF & hospitals that are cutting up rough. SNCF folk have low retirement ages, largely because driving a steam-engine left people knackered at 50, and successive governments have shied away from raising the age since. The bellyache now is that the hours are lousy, the responsibility vast, and at the weekend a driver could be at the far end of France from his family. As for hospital staff, they've been shafted everywhere since hospitals were invented, so more power to them.

Oh, the teachers are out as well.

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Re: J'aime la France

Postby al_yrpal » 5 Dec 2019, 10:28pm

Just gotta love the French...

Touring on a bicycle is a great way to explore and appreciate the countryside and towns you pass through. What do you do to make a difference?

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Re: J'aime la France

Postby mjr » 6 Dec 2019, 12:07am

You've highlighted the change in retirement age, but I think at least as much protest is about lower payouts and the principle of consolidating them all into one less-accountable, more-easily-raidable-by-government fund, isn't it?
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Re: J'aime la France

Postby francovendee » 6 Dec 2019, 9:44am

Roads around here were really quiet yesterday. Schools were closed so my daughter had to leave her daughter with family nearby. She went to work as usual and got there earlier than normal as the roads were so empty.
Shops were open as usual but some garages still had no fuel because a blockade of the fuel depots a day before the strike stopped deliveries.
I'm always amazed by the general acceptance of these disputes.
Some of the pensions in the public sector are very generous, especially govt.employees. Overall pensions are better here than the UK but with an aging population hard to fund.

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Re: J'aime la France

Postby dodger » 9 Dec 2019, 9:23pm

Francovendee, you hit the nail on the head. All of Europe has an ageing population, with people living much longer. It's a hard nettle for any government to grasp, but unless they do, the country will be bankrupt.
I don't know what the answer is, but I know my kids are going to be far worse off in terms of pension payout than me - and mine is worse than my dad's final salary system.
I keep telling them that it's not boring. It means the difference between living reasonably or in poverty, so find ways to save for the future.