The next Labour Leader

[Psamathe]

Hi,
Like him or loathe him makes no difference who said it.
"Nothing less than a born again' head to toe renewal will do "
That's been said for some time now by many people.
But we fear that they will not get the message and will roll out just another mould of previous leaders?

I don't wish to come across as a defeat denier, but look at the numbers. The idea that everything was wrong and that no one supported the Labour Party in the last election is clearly not accurate. A bit of a swing back to Labour once Brexit is out of the way, a little bit more if the leader doesn't get vilified in the press, and who knows what the result would be.
I saw Corbyn speak twice in the leadership campaign, his big theme was to end the Tory imposed austerity, turns out Boris agreed with him :roll:

If Boris goes into spend mode it will present Labour with an extra problem next time.....

I think that should Johnson go into "spend spend spend mode" then it could be a gift to a talented Labour leader as Johnson's spending is bound to benefit only a minority. e.g. HS2 - most of the country will be paying but not benefitting e.g. tax cuts are bound to benefit the wealthy way more than the majority e.g. nurse recruitment promises whilst cutting nurse bursaries and restricting immigration will fail (even with EU Freedom of Movement there are 10,000 NHS vacancies), e.g. additional Police Officers promised numbers don't even get back to the cute the Conservatives previously inflicted, etc.

The electorate stopped listening to Corbyn ages ago so even when he pointed out such things, nobody was listening. A more capable leader would be heard by the electorate and can more than counter Johnson's spending (one reason why Ms Long-Bailey will be nothing more than Corbyn Continuity).

Ian

[al_yrpal]

Weak leaders need spin doctors and 'advisors'. They faff about with policies because they are bereft of conviction and direction. I fear thats what we have right now, a leader dedicated only to retention of power by any means above all else.

Al

[Psamathe]

Weak leaders need spin doctors and 'advisors'. They faff about with policies because they are bereft of conviction and direction. I fear thats what we have right now, a leader dedicated only to retention of power by any means above all else.

Al

Shock! I had you as a supporter of Johnson yet now you highlight him as a weak leader. Shows how wrong I can be

Ian

[Mike Sales]

Whoever the next Labour leader is, it's certain they will face the usual barrage of denigration from the media.

[al_yrpal]

Weak leaders need spin doctors and 'advisors'. They faff about with policies because they are bereft of conviction and direction. I fear thats what we have right now, a leader dedicated only to retention of power by any means above all else.

Al

Shock! I had you as a supporter of Johnson yet now you highlight him as a weak leader. Shows how wrong I can be

Ian

You obviously dont pay attention. Boris was my MP for Henley and he was quite good. But, I have always said the Boris as PM is operating way beyond his pay grade. I fear serial bad decisions going forward.

Al

[Psamathe]

Weak leaders need spin doctors and 'advisors'. They faff about with policies because they are bereft of conviction and direction. I fear thats what we have right now, a leader dedicated only to retention of power by any means above all else.

Al

Shock! I had you as a supporter of Johnson yet now you highlight him as a weak leader. Shows how wrong I can be

Ian

You obviously dont pay attention. Boris was my MP for Henley and he was quite good. But, I have always said the Boris as PM is operating way beyond his pay grade. I fear serial bad decisions going forward.

Al

I clearly don't. My apologies. But the good news is that I am now awae of your true views.

Ian

[NATURAL ANKLING]

Hi,
When I posted my last post I was thinking of how labours leader will pan out once elected.
We dont need to include the usual tory bashing

So do anyone............think that a new labour leader will need to change labours normal socialist left ideas.
Because from my little brain there is a worry that it will be the same, which maybe what the hard core of labour voters (just like any party voters who will vote there life long way) want?
Hard core labour north was not impressed, so does that not worry whats left of the main labour core?
Core as in "I always voted that way / dont see why I need to change etc etc." Can be applied to any party so not a criticism of labour.
But we are talking of the heading of the post.

[roubaixtuesday]

Weak leaders need spin doctors and 'advisors'. They faff about with policies because they are bereft of conviction and direction. I fear thats what we have right now, a leader dedicated only to retention of power by any means above all else.

Al

I would be interested to hear your examples of strong leaders without spin doctors or advisors.

[al_yrpal]

Blair was and Boris appears to be in thrall to their advisors. Wilson had some guidance and interation with Lady Faulkener towards the end of his term. Maggie had Sir Keith Joseph but remained fully in control when she spotted how his monetary policies had totally trashed British Industry, but it was too late... But Blair and Boris were and are both weak IMO. All PMs had and have advisors, its how much influence these people have that counts.

It is the left wing press having a go at Dominic so we must be careful not to swallow their assertions whole.

Al

[Oldjohnw]

Blair was and Boris appears to be in thrall to their advisors. Wilson had some guidance and interation with Lady Faulkener towards the end of his term. Maggie had Sir Keith Joseph but remained fully in control when she spotted how his monetary policies had totally trashed British Industry, but it was too late... But Blair and Boris were and are both weak IMO. All PMs had and have advisors, its how much influence these people have that counts.

It is the left wing press having a go at Dominic so we must be careful not to swallow their assertions whole.

Al

You could, of course, assess Cummings on merit. In which case he is a narcissistic pratt.

[Psamathe]

Hi,
When I posted my last post I was thinking of how labours leader will pan out once elected.
We dont need to include the usual tory bashing :)

So do anyone............think that a new labour leader will need to change labours normal socialist left ideas.
Because from my little brain there is a worry that it will be the same, which maybe what the hard core of labour voters (just like any party voters who will vote there life long way) want?
Hard core labour north was not impressed, so does that not worry whats left of the main labour core?
Core as in "I always voted that way / dont see why I need to change etc etc." Can be applied to any party so not a criticism of labour.
But we are talking of the heading of the post.

I think so much depends on who gets the position. My personal opinion is that Long=Bailey is the Corbyn continuity candidate and things under her will carry on very much as under Coybyn (including disastrous electoral performance and the electorate will perceive her as Corbyn Mk II.

I believe Starmer stands a chance of turning round the party fortunes.

I have absolutely no idea of the 3rd candidate's name, let alone her background and history. I saw her on some rather poor TV debate and she was not particularly impressive. I suspect she will have quite a struggle to achieve much prominence across much of the electorate, but she has some time to do it. But from her performance on TV Johnson will have a really easy time.

Ian

[NATURAL ANKLING]

Hi,
I have already mention here or another post -
My fist sight of starmer on tv was he was well spoken and his mantra was good.
But at the party labour state of the nation on tv, he seem to back up corbyn and I got the impression he was of the same mould.
But my short impressions might well be wrong, I see what I saw for a few minutes.

[PH]

Hi,
IBut at the party labour state of the nation on tv, he seem to back up corbyn and I got the impression he was of the same mould.

Did you look at the YouGov poll I posted above? It's about the popularity of Labour policies.
It's not the only one, poll after poll shows they are viewed favorably. Labour did dreadfully, the above poll also looks at the reasons for that. Any new leader will have to address that, it is a big task when you have an 80 seat majority to overturn and the dominating theme at the next election is still likely to be Brexit, not to mention the hostile press, but why would you think any candidate would abandon popular policies?

[PDQ Mobile]

Hi,
I have already mention here or another post -
My fist sight of starmer on tv was he was well spoken and his mantra was good.
But at the party labour state of the nation on tv, he seem to back up corbyn and I got the impression he was of the same mould.
But my short impressions might well be wrong, I see what I saw for a few minutes.

I thought it was you that thought (Sir!) Starmer was a Tory?
Somewhere in the quite recent past.
Perhaps it was someone else.

[Tangled Metal]

All three candidates I believe support Corbyn's policies. Nandy was the only one to openly criticise Corbyn so she's out. Long-Bailey is obviously Corbyn mk2. She came right out of the blocks after the results came in giving Corbyn 10 out of 10 rating. Starmer is a bit too southern toff lawyer type for many I reckon. Or is that just a northern view?

As a lifelong tory voter (until Boris) I should be hoping for Long-Bailey to win to make it a 5th straight loss. Of course my non tribal side which holds sway (hence no Tory vote in December) thinks we need better labour candidates or a larger third, strongly led third party to hold Johnson to account. Not one of the three remaining candidates will be much cop imho.

I hold more than ever the opinion that we're in a political generation bereft of good leaders and short of good politicians generally from which to develop the future quality leaders. I hate to say it but even IDS when Tory leader (not now of course) was a better leader then anything we have right now. Although I'll admit Ms Crankie north of the border seems to be a strong leader up there even if her government hasn't exactly performed. Perhaps that's only a symptom of Brexit giving her an independence diversion from domestic policies and performance.