Oldjohnw wrote: Spinners wrote:
Even in the 2019 "Conservative landslide" most people didn't vote for the Tories. Their vote share was was 43.6%. Mrs Thatchers share of the vote was always under 44% too. What is your point?
My point is that most people never vote for the GE winner!!
All of which means that a little humility on the part of the 'winners' is needed. Until the 2016 referendum that was there to an extent. Now we have "you lost, get over it."
Go back to your opening post.
You could have started with the valid open question is Labour finished unless it learns to (a) rid itself of the dead hand of the unions and (b) be prepared to yield a little ground? But no, you started with a falsehood about Labour's vote share increasing followed by a fact that most people did not vote for a Tory Government which, whilst true, actually applies to all GE winners but was presented to create the illusion that the Conservative Government does not have a mandate to govern the UK. They clearly do!
This thread will go the exact same way as the thread about the next Labour leader, i.e. instead of looking at the issue (most) people here just continue the Tory bashing.
Back on topic, I sincerely hope that Labour can re-boot and come back strongly. We don't often talk politics in the cafe but our ride today took us past Amazon in Swansea and today we discussed the appalling zero hours contracts and the such-like after a family relative was bluntly given the DCM (don't come Monday). No disrespect to the smaller political parties but only Labour can fight that and similar battles and, even in opposition, a strong Labour party can help.