New Royals Going It Alone

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Re: New Royals Going It Alone

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 10 Jan 2020, 8:59am

Hi,
Yep, we can see they may well follow some of the other royal family, back in the fold :P
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Re: New Royals Going It Alone

Postby tatanab » 10 Jan 2020, 9:03am

francovendee wrote:What is never revealed is the cost of their security.
This will continue and I'd guess a considerable sum.
A newspaper article today said currently £600,000 per annum. That can only increase with them living overseas.

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Re: New Royals Going It Alone

Postby Stradageek » 10 Jan 2020, 9:06am

Don't get me wrong (I'm a staunch republican who would be very happy to see the end of the Royal family - after all we don't have hereditary doctors!) but looking at today's press headlines not one of them says:

'British media pressure causes Harry and Megan to quit: newspapers frantically looking for ways to deflect blame and for a new gossip story to help maintain sales'

Try reading 'Power without responsibility' by James Curran if you still harbour the belief that the British press has any moral integrity

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Re: New Royals Going It Alone

Postby Oldjohnw » 10 Jan 2020, 9:33am

Looking like the US Presidency might be on the way to becoming an hereditary role, since two of Trump's children are favourites. Presidencies don't come cheap either.
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Re: New Royals Going It Alone

Postby Mike Sales » 10 Jan 2020, 10:06am

Oldjohnw wrote:Looking like the US Presidency might be on the way to becoming an hereditary role, since two of Trump's children are favourites. Presidencies don't come cheap either.


Nor are they cheap to buy.

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Re: New Royals Going It Alone

Postby pete75 » 10 Jan 2020, 10:57am

Oldjohnw wrote:If you look on their website (Sussex Royal) you'll find they will continue to get the 95% from the Duchy of Cornwall which is not from the State. They will surrender the 5% they get from the Sovereign Grant. In turn they get to choose - and finance - which duties they do.

The Queen gives the Treasury the entire income from the Crown Estates and gets about 15-25% back as the Sovereign Grant.

I assume that if the FCO sends them to do something the government picks up the tab.


The income form the Crown estate was surrendered to the government back in the time of George III and a civil list income given instead. Prior to that the monarch was responsible for funding the cost of "civil government" from Crown Estate income. One of the reasons for the change was that the cost of government was increasing beyond the income from the Crown Estate. In other words it was done for the benefit of the monarch not the country as a whole.

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Re: New Royals Going It Alone

Postby pwa » 10 Jan 2020, 11:30am

I wonder if Harry has recognised that people are not going to put up with his own family being supported as top flight royals when he is not close to being in line to be monarch. So he is casting round for another role for himself and his offspring. His brother's family will be the top flight royals. That is the reality of being in the royal family. He is surplus to requirements.

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Re: New Royals Going It Alone

Postby mercalia » 10 Jan 2020, 12:25pm

pwa wrote:I wonder if Harry has recognised that people are not going to put up with his own family being supported as top flight royals when he is not close to being in line to be monarch. So he is casting round for another role for himself and his offspring. His brother's family will be the top flight royals. That is the reality of being in the royal family. He is surplus to requirements.


yes just a spare incase some thing happens to William and Kate

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Re: New Royals Going It Alone

Postby Oldjohnw » 10 Jan 2020, 12:37pm

pete75 wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:If you look on their website (Sussex Royal) you'll find they will continue to get the 95% from the Duchy of Cornwall which is not from the State. They will surrender the 5% they get from the Sovereign Grant. In turn they get to choose - and finance - which duties they do.

The Queen gives the Treasury the entire income from the Crown Estates and gets about 15-25% back as the Sovereign Grant.

I assume that if the FCO sends them to do something the government picks up the tab.


The income form the Crown estate was surrendered to the government back in the time of George III and a civil list income given instead. Prior to that the monarch was responsible for funding the cost of "civil government" from Crown Estate income. One of the reasons for the change was that the cost of government was increasing beyond the income from the Crown Estate. In other words it was done for the benefit of the monarch not the country as a whole.



And the Civil List was abolished in about 2012 and replaced by a Sovereign Grant.

I making no view of the right and wrong of this.
John

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Re: New Royals Going It Alone

Postby Oldjohnw » 10 Jan 2020, 12:39pm

mercalia wrote:
pwa wrote:I wonder if Harry has recognised that people are not going to put up with his own family being supported as top flight royals when he is not close to being in line to be monarch. So he is casting round for another role for himself and his offspring. His brother's family will be the top flight royals. That is the reality of being in the royal family. He is surplus to requirements.


yes just a spare incase some thing happens to William and Kate


And even if something happens to William, George takes over! Then Charlotte and so on. Harry isn't even the spare anymore.
John

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Re: New Royals Going It Alone

Postby mercalia » 10 Jan 2020, 12:44pm

Oldjohnw wrote:
mercalia wrote:
pwa wrote:I wonder if Harry has recognised that people are not going to put up with his own family being supported as top flight royals when he is not close to being in line to be monarch. So he is casting round for another role for himself and his offspring. His brother's family will be the top flight royals. That is the reality of being in the royal family. He is surplus to requirements.


yes just a spare incase some thing happens to William and Kate


And even if something happens to William, George takes over! Then Charlotte and so on. Harry isn't even the spare anymore.


he is young enough to train for a proffession? do a proper job. Other than the perks, what a boring life the "royals" have? Harry is lucky to be able to try some thing different, Meghan is possibly the best thing to happen to him?

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Re: New Royals Going It Alone

Postby pete75 » 10 Jan 2020, 1:26pm

Oldjohnw wrote:
pete75 wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:If you look on their website (Sussex Royal) you'll find they will continue to get the 95% from the Duchy of Cornwall which is not from the State. They will surrender the 5% they get from the Sovereign Grant. In turn they get to choose - and finance - which duties they do.

The Queen gives the Treasury the entire income from the Crown Estates and gets about 15-25% back as the Sovereign Grant.

I assume that if the FCO sends them to do something the government picks up the tab.


The income form the Crown estate was surrendered to the government back in the time of George III and a civil list income given instead. Prior to that the monarch was responsible for funding the cost of "civil government" from Crown Estate income. One of the reasons for the change was that the cost of government was increasing beyond the income from the Crown Estate. In other words it was done for the benefit of the monarch not the country as a whole.



And the Civil List was abolished in about 2012 and replaced by a Sovereign Grant.

I making no view of the right and wrong of this.


Same thing different name. I think they just rolled up the Civil List and all the other grants of dosh into one.

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Re: New Royals Going It Alone

Postby Oldjohnw » 10 Jan 2020, 2:20pm

pete75 wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:
pete75 wrote:
The income form the Crown estate was surrendered to the government back in the time of George III and a civil list income given instead. Prior to that the monarch was responsible for funding the cost of "civil government" from Crown Estate income. One of the reasons for the change was that the cost of government was increasing beyond the income from the Crown Estate. In other words it was done for the benefit of the monarch not the country as a whole.


Speaking from memory I think the civil list included some quite ridiculous hangers on. Like various dukes who were cousins.

And the Civil List was abolished in about 2012 and replaced by a Sovereign Grant.

I making no view of the right and wrong of this.


Same thing different name. I think they just rolled up the Civil List and all the other grants of dosh into one.
John

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Re: New Royals Going It Alone

Postby pete75 » 10 Jan 2020, 3:33pm

Anyhow the Daily Mail don't like what's happening so they must be doing something right. :D

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Re: New Royals Going It Alone

Postby Oldjohnw » 10 Jan 2020, 3:53pm

pete75 wrote:Anyhow the Daily Mail don't like what's happening so they must be doing something right. :D



Sarah Vine and Piers Morgan are pretty viciously against them. That is a badge to wear with pride.
John