Are You Woke(n)?

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Are You Woke(n)?

Yes
4
14%
No
3
10%
Maybe
2
7%
I dont know what it means
20
69%
 
Total votes: 29

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Re: Are You Woke(n)?

Postby mercalia » 25 Jan 2020, 4:35pm

RickH wrote:
reohn2 wrote:I'm havingnthe same problem as MickF,I can't read the article and I do have a TV licence :?

Me too on both counts.



well this is all strange. maybe its Woken Test whether you can read it or not. You just not woken enough :wink:

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Re: Are You Woke(n)?

Postby Audax67 » 26 Jan 2020, 10:34am

I did know what it meant but I answered dunno because such perversions of English shouldn't be given house room.
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Re: Are You Woke(n)?

Postby Oldjohnw » 26 Jan 2020, 11:29am

I thought it originally meant being socially aware, bit was then used as a perjoritive term against people who were socially aware.

Like politically correct and, I guess, many other terms.
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Re: Are You Woke(n)?

Postby Vorpal » 26 Jan 2020, 10:11pm

Audax67 wrote:I did know what it meant but I answered dunno because such perversions of English shouldn't be given house room.

Perversions of English? No slang is allowed? Or is it just the slang of American POC that is a perversion?
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Re: Are You Woke(n)?

Postby mattheus » 27 Jan 2020, 11:25am

Vorpal wrote:
Audax67 wrote:I did know what it meant but I answered dunno because such perversions of English shouldn't be given house room.

Perversions of English? No slang is allowed? Or is it just the slang of American POC that is a perversion?


I believe he's referring to the poor sense of grammar. ("This book woke me up, so now I am woke." )

He's protested against " ... to boldy go ..." in the past.

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Re: Are You Woke(n)?

Postby Pastychomper » 27 Jan 2020, 1:52pm

Oldjohnw wrote:I thought it originally meant being socially aware, bit was then used as a perjoritive term against people who were socially aware.

Like politically correct and, I guess, many other terms.


I think as a pejorative it refers not so much to genuinely socially aware people as to people whose social awareness is selective to the point that it becomes a problem for others.
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Re: Are You Woke(n)?

Postby mattheus » 27 Jan 2020, 2:20pm

"political correctness" got criticism because of a tiny number of ludicrous over-applications. Which led to rumours of even sillier examples, which became established urban myths. Banning of blackboards, that sort of thing. Sadly we only notice the worst in people, and the tabloids report the most extreme examples, not the many situations where lives were improved - in some case for huge segments of society.

"Woke" has some big overlaps with PC, so I think it has been stained with many of the same smears.

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Re: Are You Woke(n)?

Postby pete75 » 28 Jan 2020, 8:25am

Vorpal wrote:
Audax67 wrote:I did know what it meant but I answered dunno because such perversions of English shouldn't be given house room.

Perversions of English? No slang is allowed? Or is it just the slang of American POC that is a perversion?


No neither should a perversion of the language like dunno.

What is a POC?

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Re: Are You Woke(n)?

Postby Vorpal » 28 Jan 2020, 9:17am

pete75 wrote:
Vorpal wrote:
Audax67 wrote:I did know what it meant but I answered dunno because such perversions of English shouldn't be given house room.

Perversions of English? No slang is allowed? Or is it just the slang of American POC that is a perversion?


No neither should a perversion of the language like dunno.

What is a POC?

Person of colour
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Re: Are You Woke(n)?

Postby pete75 » 28 Jan 2020, 3:30pm

Vorpal wrote:
pete75 wrote:
Vorpal wrote:Perversions of English? No slang is allowed? Or is it just the slang of American POC that is a perversion?


No neither should a perversion of the language like dunno.

What is a POC?

Person of colour


Everybody is one colour or another so why not just say P for person.

When I was born, I was black,
When I grew up, I was black,
When I'm sick, I'm black,
When I go out in the sun, I'm black,
When I'm cold, I'm black,
When I die, I'll be black,

But you,

When you're born, you're pink,
When you grow up, you're white,
When you're sick, you're green,
When you go out in the sun, you go red,
When you're cold, you go blue,
When you die, you'll be purple,

And you have the nerve to call me coloured!

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Re: Are You Woke(n)?

Postby Vorpal » 28 Jan 2020, 3:34pm

POC is what most of my minority friends and family members use on social media. Some still us 'black' or 'African American', but POC also includes other non-whites.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_color
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Re: Are You Woke(n)?

Postby pete75 » 28 Jan 2020, 3:46pm

Vorpal wrote:POC is what most of my minority friends and family members use on social media. Some still us 'black' or 'African American', but POC also includes other non-whites.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_color


Being black is nothing to be ashamed of so why use a stupid euphemism?

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Re: Are You Woke(n)?

Postby Vorpal » 28 Jan 2020, 4:04pm

pete75 wrote:
Vorpal wrote:POC is what most of my minority friends and family members use on social media. Some still us 'black' or 'African American', but POC also includes other non-whites.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_color


Being black is nothing to be ashamed of so why use a stupid euphemism?

POC also includes other non-whites (i.e. first people, folks of Asian or Middle Eastern descent, etc.)
I don't think that being black is anything to be ashamed of, and I don't think that my friends & family think it's anything to be ashamed of.
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Re: Are You Woke(n)?

Postby pete75 » 28 Jan 2020, 4:52pm

Vorpal wrote:
pete75 wrote:
Vorpal wrote:POC is what most of my minority friends and family members use on social media. Some still us 'black' or 'African American', but POC also includes other non-whites.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_color


Being black is nothing to be ashamed of so why use a stupid euphemism?

POC also includes other non-whites (i.e. first people, folks of Asian or Middle Eastern descent, etc.)
I don't think that being black is anything to be ashamed of, and I don't think that my friends & family think it's anything to be ashamed of.


First people - who knows what colour they were though the fact they were in Africa suggests they may have been black.

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Re: Are You Woke(n)?

Postby pwa » 28 Jan 2020, 5:26pm

I wasn't aware of the use of the word "woke" as used here, but I don't mind it being used this way. If it just means "enlightened to race issues", fine, no problem. if it is slang rather than "proper English", well I use enough slang myself so I can't complain about it on those grounds.

I still refer to black people of African origin (going back far enough) as "black" because when I was growing up that is what we were told they wanted to be called, rather than "coloured". Fair enough, and that's what I've stuck with.