Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

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Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Postby kwackers » 12 Feb 2020, 2:15pm

dim wrote:it leaked from a bio weapon lab?

Boring.
There are far more entertaining conspiracies out there regarding CV.

I suspect bio weapon labs do more than tweak a couple of genes, they'd be pretty poor at their job if that was the best they could manage - something that would pass muster for an existing coronovirus with natural looking "tweaks".

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Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Postby Vorpal » 12 Feb 2020, 2:49pm

mercalia wrote:Patient Zeros family tree. ( to be extended)

There were already 3 or 4 people in the UK diagnosed with the coronavirus when Steve Walsh was carrying it around to various places.
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Postby mercalia » 12 Feb 2020, 3:16pm

Vorpal wrote:
mercalia wrote:Patient Zeros family tree. ( to be extended)

There were already 3 or 4 people in the UK diagnosed with the coronavirus when Steve Walsh was carrying it around to various places.


gosh you are a spoil sport aint you. I think the others were quickly quarantined with no legacy?

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Postby Vorpal » 12 Feb 2020, 3:26pm

mercalia wrote:
Vorpal wrote:
mercalia wrote:Patient Zeros family tree. ( to be extended)

There were already 3 or 4 people in the UK diagnosed with the coronavirus when Steve Walsh was carrying it around to various places.


gosh you are a spoil sport aint you. I think the others were quickly quarantined with no legacy?

It seems so. However, emergency police powers were granted a couple of days ago because someone (evacuated from China?) threatened to leave quarantine.

Since the government declared an 'imminent threat' to do so, they are taking it very seriously, and must know/believe that some of those in quarantine have been exposed or infected.
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Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Postby fullupandslowingdown » 13 Feb 2020, 12:12am

It was the details revealed by Dr Li Wenliang before he died which concerned me.

In his Weibo post he describes how on 10 January he started coughing, the next day he had a fever and two days later he was in hospital. His parents also fell ill and were taken to hospital.

Dr Li says he was tested several times for coronavirus, all of them came back negative.

On 30 January he posted again: "Today nucleic acid testing came back with a positive result, the dust has settled, finally diagnosed."


bbc.co.uk

Do the math. 30 - 10 = 20 Twenty days before his infection was confirmed as Covid-19 which is nearly a week longer than the quarantine time we are following. Not everyone, as shown by "patient zero" gets really sick, some just have a passing cough or nothing at all. Which logically means there could be people with it totally un - diagnosed but spreading it to others.

Healthy people have a tendency to socialise with other healthy people, tis sociology, and sicker people tend to be around other sicker people i.e elderly in homes for the elderly. Hence in the initial weeks, the majority of victims have been the elderly and the sick as they get ill easiest and have less opportunity to avoid the contagion.

All of a sudden as we move into the third month of the virus, we might see many more fitter people falling ill over a greater geographical area. The first official death was on or about 14th Dec. A week later the toll is 6 people. Another week it's 106. Another week later and it's 565 (figures scoured from sites including BBC and cross referenced but still prone to slight inaccuracy)

Herd immunity is about giving those who cannot due to age i.e babies have vaccinations yet but who would suffer severe consequences. I suspect that last Sunday's "Call the Midwife" was a shot across the bow of the anti vaxxers, with the death of a newly born baby from complications congenital rubella syndrome.

I see both sides of the argument. If the lifes of babies can be saved by vaccinating older children and adults then why not, but also I understand the concern anti vaxxers have about the alleged contaminants and additives in vaccine. There is credible evidence that aluminium for instance is a possible cause of some types of senile dementia. Therefore the government really should step in and have a through review of the manufacture of vaccines. If there is no basis for the concerns then let it be known, rather than simply brow beat those campaigning against such vaccines.

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Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Postby Audax67 » 13 Feb 2020, 9:42am

fullupandslowingdown wrote:There is credible evidence that aluminium for instance is a possible cause of some types of senile dementia. Therefore the government really should step in and have a through review of the manufacture of vaccines. If there is no basis for the concerns then let it be known, rather than simply brow beat those campaigning against such vaccines.


You get a healthy dose of aluminium every time you use aluminium cookware. If it were really dangerous we'd all be drooling fools by now. That "credible evidence" is actually the vague memory of an off-the-top-of-the-head speculation from the early days of studying Alzheimer's. It goes round and round on the web like that urgent appeal for type XYZ blood for 8-year-old Cheryl, who is now 30 years old and living with her 6 kids in a Caribbean tax haven.

The authorities continually make it plain that any danger from vaccines is vanishingly small, especially in comparison with the danger of not getting vaccinated, but people prefer to repeat juicy rumours than boring truths. It's how the media make profits.
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Postby mercalia » 13 Feb 2020, 5:40pm

So the Independant reports the London Tube is a hot bed for Covid-19.

‘London is a transport hub, and the underground could provide a network to spread the virus quickly’ – Dr Robin Thompson

well I shall be cutting back on my use thereof. Buses could also be the same as they are often crowded. hmm Think I will just lock my door and stay in bed until they all die

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Postby 661-Pete » 13 Feb 2020, 9:31pm

mercalia wrote:Think I will just lock my door and stay in bed
If everyone did that... the supermarket shelves would empty; public transport would come to a halt; gas, electricity and water would be cut off; there'd be no doctors or nurses - or police or firefighters; what more do you want?

until they we all die
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Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Postby horizon » 13 Feb 2020, 9:57pm

mercalia wrote:So the Independant reports the London Tube is a hot bed for Covid-19.

‘London is a transport hub, and the underground could provide a network to spread the virus quickly’ – Dr Robin Thompson

well I shall be cutting back on my use thereof. Buses could also be the same as they are often crowded. hmm Think I will just lock my door and stay in bed until they all die


mercalia: I'm surprised you're worried. As the only forum member that I have actually met in person, I would have thought you were made of sterner stuff! :wink:
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Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Postby 661-Pete » 14 Feb 2020, 8:56am

Next stop on "panic stations" ... now it's dentists in UK who are apparently facing a shortage of face masks: possibly leading to them having to curtail their practices. We all know why this is, and it's not the dentists' fault.

OK some of you may be avoiding your 6-monthly check-ups (I had mine just last week, and was given the all-clear :) ) or may go reluctantly, hating that session in the Dentist's Chair - but remember: poor oral hygiene is linked to heart disease and other serious complications. I somewhat neglected my visits to the dentist in my younger years - but I don't now....

What next? Indirect deaths due to the panic attending CV? Will hospitals have to cancel urgent operations?
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Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Postby RickH » 15 Feb 2020, 5:24pm

dim wrote:...

Wow!

That seems to be a real tinfoil hat/conspiracy theory mish mash of coronavirus/bio weapons /zionist/5G radiation twaddle!

I'm surprised they haven't managed to squeeze in a flat earth & fake space missions to bring everything together! Where's their imagination? :twisted:

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Postby merseymouth » 15 Feb 2020, 5:34pm

Hi all, The virus definitely had me worried until I worked out that I might have acquired immunity in childhood???
Yep, I drank so much "Corona" pop as a sprog that I think I'm safe! The Corona wagon would be up and down our street very frequently, much to the chagrin of Mum :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: IGICB MM

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Postby rjb » 15 Feb 2020, 5:46pm

merseymouth wrote:Hi all, The virus definitely had me worried until I worked out that I might have acquired immunity in childhood???
Yep, I drank so much "Corona" pop as a sprog that I think I'm safe! The Corona wagon would be up and down our street very frequently, much to the chagrin of Mum :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: IGICB MM


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Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Postby merseymouth » 15 Feb 2020, 6:23pm

Hi rjb, I signed the pledge when at school, tried to live to it so no alcohol! Failed :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: MM

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Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Postby Psamathe » 17 Feb 2020, 12:39pm

I found it disappointing on TV last night when a couple quarantines on the cruise ship who have been making regular TV appearances have now decided that the UK Government should be "rescuing" them (or evacuating them).

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-british-couple-quarantine-cruise-ship-uk-government-criticism-a9337846.html wrote:Coronavirus: British couple quarantined on cruise ship criticise UK government response


a. Travel insurance should deal with medical emergencies/issues.

b. They would have to return to quarantine in the UK and by all accounts, quarantine in the UK is not pleasant whereas by their own reports the cruise ship is giving out games, DVDs, good food, etc. (do they really think they will get the same levels of service from UK NHS quarantine?).

When I travel I take responsibility for myself. I take out insurance, have a "plan B" and recognise that is I get into problems from my choices I have to find my own way out. But this couple is being well cared for, they are isolated, etc. and (by their own admission) they have just got bored with quarantine and want to go home to UK so expect the UK Government to sort out their situation

I see it as even worse when
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-british-couple-quarantine-cruise-ship-uk-government-criticism-a9337846.html wrote:Coronavirus If they test negative for coronavirus, the couple could choose to disembark from the ship and spend their remaining time in quarantine in a facility on the Japanese mainland.

However, Mr Abel ruled out this possibility, saying he would not be comfortable with this arrangement – citing the lack of wifi and the Japanese food offered there.

So he needs Wi-Fi and, despite taking a cruise including Japan, he does not like Japanese food.

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