1000 bed hospital in 10 days

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francovendee
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1000 bed hospital in 10 days

Postby francovendee » 1 Feb 2020, 8:52am

The Chinese are building their second 1000 bed hospital in response to the flu outbreak.
Prefabricated off site, fully plumbed and wired. Even allowing for this it's amazing what can be done.

Perhaps Boris should forget Huawei and get his 40 hospitals built by the Chinese.

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Re: 1000 bed hospital in 10 days

Postby reohn2 » 1 Feb 2020, 9:28am

Where there's a will there's a way or if needs must.
There's definitely a need in the UK and not just for the buildings but the staff too.

I'been saying for years that prefab off site build in warehouses would mean quicker build and cheaper,we have problems with housing,hospitals,nursing homes,etc.It seems the powers that be aren't thinking outside the box.
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Re: 1000 bed hospital in 10 days

Postby merseymouth » 1 Feb 2020, 9:42am

Hi again, The Royal Liverpool University Hospital that has yet to be completed, will we're told be finished and operational sometime in 2023? Wow, just seen a pig fly past the window!
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Re: 1000 bed hospital in 10 days

Postby Carlton green » 1 Feb 2020, 3:13pm

francovendee wrote:The Chinese are building their second 1000 bed hospital in response to the flu outbreak.
Prefabricated off site, fully plumbed and wired. Even allowing for this it's amazing what can be done.


It is truly amazing what the Chinese can do and are doing. Whilst I don’t like their one party system it does allow their Government to do somethings that ours do not: the Chinese plan years ahead and when they hit a problem there is functional solution and little questioning - the job just gets done and at a pace.

Personally I don’t have any issues with old Hospitals and Pre-fab Hospitals but I do think PFI was a disaster. Mostly the buildings are of very secondary importance compared to the quality and quantity of staff within them.

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Re: 1000 bed hospital in 10 days

Postby merseymouth » 1 Feb 2020, 3:54pm

Hi, In the case of the RLUH the building isn't even third rate, more like fifth rate at best. Maybe erected by Polish Builders, but is truely Jerry Built!
The Victorian building that was closed in the 1960's is in far better shape. MM

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Re: 1000 bed hospital in 10 days

Postby iandriver » 1 Feb 2020, 4:58pm

The Chinese are pretty good at publicity stunts when they know the world's focus is upon them.

Be careful who you envy.
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Re: 1000 bed hospital in 10 days

Postby francovendee » 1 Feb 2020, 5:46pm

iandriver wrote:The Chinese are pretty good at publicity stunts when they know the world's focus is upon them.

Be careful who you envy.


Quite a stunt! Could it be done in the UK?

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Re: 1000 bed hospital in 10 days

Postby iandriver » 1 Feb 2020, 7:18pm

francovendee wrote:
iandriver wrote:The Chinese are pretty good at publicity stunts when they know the world's focus is upon them.

Be careful who you envy.


Quite a stunt! Could it be done in the UK?


Probably not. But I doubt the Chinese don't care too much for whoever may be on the land already or due planning process. I suspect this is a very temporary venture that will be abandoned quickly after the outbreak. Still impressive that they can respond so quickly, but I doubt I'd want their methods employed anywhere near where I live. Wouldn't want to be one of the builders either.
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Re: 1000 bed hospital in 10 days

Postby Bonefishblues » 1 Feb 2020, 9:03pm

francovendee wrote:
iandriver wrote:The Chinese are pretty good at publicity stunts when they know the world's focus is upon them.

Be careful who you envy.


Quite a stunt! Could it be done in the UK?

Please can we have some stunts as opposed to the, well never mind, people we have.

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Re: 1000 bed hospital in 10 days

Postby millimole » 1 Feb 2020, 10:02pm

I'm sure the buildings could go up quickly enough - I saw some impressive hospital operating theatres put in as prefabs in the 90s.
But hospitals aren't just buildings they are people too. And there's a shortage of every type of healthcare professional at the moment (and it's going to get worse).
So we can build hospitals, but we can't staff them.
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Re: 1000 bed hospital in 10 days

Postby merseymouth » 1 Feb 2020, 10:25pm

Ha Ruddy Ha, In Liverpool we have the staff, but crepe Carillion screwed everything up! Great staff, lousy political judgement that took us down the PPI route, yes that includes all of the M.P.'s. IGICB MM

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Re: 1000 bed hospital in 10 days

Postby Tangled Metal » 1 Feb 2020, 10:28pm

How's alder hey? Do they still have cockroaches and rats coming out of surgical wards these days?

Oh and the staff in the old alder hey were distinctly patchy in terms of quality. Night shift were generally a bunch of heartless nurses more concerned with skiving than giving out pain meds to kids needing it. Still, no point complaining because it was highly active with unions. You can't touch me I'm part of the union!

Which is best? Good hospital with carp staff or carp hospital with good staff?

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Re: 1000 bed hospital in 10 days

Postby merseymouth » 2 Feb 2020, 9:47am

Hi TM, Good job I don't employ computer technology to translate your post?
Alder Hey, you talk about a long gone building. The current hospital is a top rate facility, which is much needed.
The hospital employs top class human staff, wouldn't think of employing "Fish"! :lol: :lol: :lol: Maybe you were "Codding" me?
My experience of hospitals in this area isn't just historic, I currently visit hospitals on a more frequent basis than the Health Secretary!
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Re: 1000 bed hospital in 10 days

Postby reohn2 » 2 Feb 2020, 10:34am

From what I can see capitalism in it's present is ruining the country,e've become a can't do country unless there's enough profit in it,IMHO it's what happens when you run a country like you run a business.
The country isn't a business and it's people aren't comodities to make profit out of.
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Re: 1000 bed hospital in 10 days

Postby Bonefishblues » 2 Feb 2020, 10:47am

reohn2 wrote:From what I can see capitalism in it's present is ruining the country,e've become a can't do country unless there's enough profit in it,IMHO it's what happens when you run a country like you run a business.
The country isn't a business and it's people aren't comodities to make profit out of.

I'm coming round to this point of view. We have to achieve a better balance - not everything is wrong with capitalism as a concept, but as-is, then I think not.