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Re: More Trump idiocy

Postby Psamathe » 16 Apr 2020, 6:31pm

For reference and context
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country wrote:A developing country (or a low and middle income country (LMIC), less developed country, less economically developed country (LEDC), or underdeveloped country) is a country with a less developed industrial base and a low Human Development Index (HDI) relative to other countries.
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And a new one added to the list ... The USA!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-us-developing-nation-china-world-trade-organization-white-house-a9469181.html wrote:Trump calls the United States a ‘developing nation’ — again
‘We’re a developing nation, too, in my book, okay? We’re developing too’

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“Think of it: they’re considered a developing nation … and we’re not, “ Mr Trump said. “Well, we’re a developing nation, too, in my book, okay? We’re developing too.”

Ian

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Re: More Trump idiocy

Postby reohn2 » 16 Apr 2020, 7:27pm

Everytime I see a new post on this thread I think "what's he said this time" :?
What a plonker!
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Re: More Trump idiocy

Postby Cunobelin » 16 Apr 2020, 8:36pm

12 signs of Malignant Narcissistic disorder. I would not dream of making a diagnosis, but check the boxes and make up your own mind...

1. Sadism

The definition of malignant, according to Dictionary.com is: “disposed to cause harm, suffering, or distress deliberately; feeling or showing ill will or hatred.”

This perfectly describes one of the key traits of the malignant narcissist: sadism.

A sadist gains enjoyment from the pain, suffering, and humiliation of others. They willingly inflict this suffering to gratify themselves and to control others. This may manifest as verbal, emotional, and even physical abuse.

It may also show in the way they treat animals and their indifference toward violence in movies, TV shows, and on the news.


2. Proactive Manipulation

All narcissists manipulate to some degree; it is their way of getting what they want.

But manipulation comes in different forms. There are those who are opportunists, who seek to capitalize on events or take advantage of anyone in a vulnerable state.

Then there are others – the malignant types – who are proactive in their manipulation. By this, we mean that they don’t wait for something to happen and then respond to it, they will manipulate as and when they feel the need.

In fact, they get almost as much enjoyment from manipulating others as they do from making them suffer. This is, perhaps, somewhat unsurprising given that manipulation often leads to suffering.

They are more forceful and less subtle in how they manipulate others, yet they also employ a greater range of tactics from gaslighting to love bombing.

These acts of manipulation are calculated, planned, honed over years of use until they reach their peak of effectiveness. This is one of the key dangers of malignant narcissism – the free will of the victim is diminished and they grow ever more helpless to remove themselves from the situation.

3. Antisocial Behaviors

Given that malignant narcissism crosses into Antisocial Personality Disorder, it probably won’t come as any surprise to hear that they engage in various types of antisocial behaviour.

They are often pathological liars, they cheat, they steal, they are more prone to volatile moods, aggression, and unprovoked hostility.

They are up for the fight – any fight, with anyone, at any time. This forms part of the destructive pattern of narcissistic behavior.

4. Hypersensitivity To Criticism

You criticize a malignant narcissist at your peril.

Some sufferers of NPD further down the scale might be able to brush off criticism because they consider it ludicrous and a joke – they are perfect after all.

Others find any form of criticism an affront to their character and go on the attack at the slightest hint of it.

Their sense of self is so fragile that it is easily damaged, and retaliation or escalation is the only means they know of feeling better about themselves.


5. Paranoia

Malignant narcissists don’t trust anyone. Quite the opposite, in fact. They are overly suspicious of everyone and believe others are out to get them.

This likely stems from the fact that they seek to manipulate others for their personal gain, and so they believe everyone else acts the same way (or has the capacity to).

This paranoia can lead to a state of hypervigilance where they are always on the lookout for threats. They can become preoccupied with what other people are doing; often leading them to control the movements of their victims for fear of what they might otherwise do or say.

6. Lack Of Empathy

All narcissists lack empathy to some degree, but like all of these traits, there is a spectrum.

As we’ve already discussed, the malignant type will happily inflict pain and suffering on others. They also ignore and invalidate any emotions shown by another being.

One key thing to note is that the less dangerous narcissists may be able to experience empathy, but they are often – though not always – unwilling to let it influence them. They may even experience remorse or regret on some level.

A malignant narcissist simply cannot feel empathy full stop. They cannot put themselves in another’s shoes or relate to their feelings. It’s a totally foreign concept to them. They feel and show no remorse for any suffering they cause and this is how they can behave in such a malicious manner.

7. Failure To Accept Responsibility

It’s not always easy to take responsibility for our actions – this is not only true of narcissists.

Yet they take things to a different level. Sometimes they will accept that they acted in a certain way, but they will warp the truth to make it seem like they were justified in doing so. They will externalize the responsibility to something or someone else (in other words, play the blame game).

Other times they might refuse to accept that their actions were wrong or unacceptable. They will flat out deny responsibility for the hurt caused to others or other undesirable outcomes they may have caused.


8. Need For Attention

All narcissists need a form of supply. That is, they need the frequent attention, adoration, and affection of others in order to make themselves feel good and restore their energy levels.

They feed off it.

A low-level or moderate narcissist may seek out mostly positive forms of attention to bolster their sense of self-worth. A malignant narcissist may get almost as much satisfaction from negative attention too.

They may enjoy playing the villain and, as we stated above, they aren’t afraid of confrontation and fighting in the moral, intellectual, or physical sense.

This trait is actually one where there is far less overlap with someone who suffers from Antisocial Personality Disorder or psychopathy.

They typically don’t care what other people think of them and will sometimes prefer to be a loner rather than the center of attention.


9. Delusions Of Grandeur

Narcissists have an inflated sense of their self-importance. They believe they are better than others in every way: more attractive, more intelligent, more successful, more important.

This grandiosity is the root cause of their sense of entitlement. Since they believe themselves to be superior to everyone else, they consider it necessary to be treated as such.

Again, this is not as common in those with APD.

10. Envy

Because they hold themselves in such high regard, if they encounter someone with a trait or lifestyle or possession that they covet, they are consumed with envy.

They hate to see others with something that they do not have. When they do, they will belittle them and put their ownership of that thing down to pure luck. Rarely do they admit that someone is deserving of such a thing.

If the opportunity presents itself, they are not afraid to sabotage someone’s success by giving bad advice or purposefully smearing that person’s reputation.

And they revel in the failure of others – perhaps not overtly (though this is a possibility), but certainly on the inside they will be doing a happy dance.

11. Egocentricity

As a narcissist, it’s all about me, myself, and I. They act for their own benefit and no one else’s.

They talk about themselves, many enjoy being in the spotlight, they put others down, and they are overly concerned with their appearance and what other people think of them.

They see their beliefs as true facts, are short-sighted and narrow-minded, and are prone to oversimplifying a complex situation to suit their views.


12. Charm

Most narcissists have the ability to turn on the charm when they need to. In fact, when you first meet one, they can seem like friendly, amenable people.

This is how they are able to snare their victims. They wear a mask and are careful not to let it slip until their target has been adequately manipulated and broken down.

Even if you are not their primary target, they will try to use a charm offensive to make you act in a certain way or have a certain opinion of them

It’s all false and fake of course; they do not say or do nice things with any sincerity.



Conclusion

So, a malignant narcissist is considered to be someone who straddles both Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) and Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD).

While they will likely embody all of the traditional traits of narcissism, they will differ in some ways from the person with APD or a psychopath.

They will also have more exaggerated narcissistic tendencies than other narcissists, particularly in areas involving harming others, aggression, and manipulation.

They are a more extreme, abusive, and dangerous type of narcissist and one who should be avoided at all costs.

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Re: More Trump idiocy

Postby carpetcleaner » 16 Apr 2020, 8:49pm

1 / 12 for me.

Charm.

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Re: More Trump idiocy

Postby Mike Sales » 16 Apr 2020, 8:56pm

carpetcleaner wrote:1 / 12 for me.

Charm.


But we can't tell on here.

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Re: More Trump idiocy

Postby Vorpal » 17 Apr 2020, 8:09am

Psamathe wrote:For reference and context
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country wrote:A developing country (or a low and middle income country (LMIC), less developed country, less economically developed country (LEDC), or underdeveloped country) is a country with a less developed industrial base and a low Human Development Index (HDI) relative to other countries.
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And a new one added to the list ... The USA!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-us-developing-nation-china-world-trade-organization-white-house-a9469181.html wrote:Trump calls the United States a ‘developing nation’ — again
‘We’re a developing nation, too, in my book, okay? We’re developing too’

...
“Think of it: they’re considered a developing nation … and we’re not, “ Mr Trump said. “Well, we’re a developing nation, too, in my book, okay? We’re developing too.”

Ian

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Re: More Trump idiocy

Postby brooksby » 17 Apr 2020, 10:23am

carpetcleaner wrote:1 / 12 for me.

Charm.


I scored a 3 :roll:

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Re: More Trump idiocy

Postby PH » 17 Apr 2020, 5:38pm

carpetcleaner wrote:President Trump has decided that his country will recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Other countries are free to do as they like. How can anyone have a problem with this liberal attitude? I regard Israel as the capital of Israel because the Israelis say it is. Who am I to say if it is or not?

It's hard to know what you believe, you're very selective about which aspects of international law to support. Jerusalem is incredibly complex and the USA action has made a long term agreement less likely. All sides think they have a legitimate claim to it when in reality it belongs to the WI.

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Re: More Trump idiocy

Postby Cunobelin » 18 Apr 2020, 12:01pm

... and it gets ore insane!

Despite saying that they are nt ready for relieving the lockdown, Trump is tweeting for the Citizens to "Rise" and fight the restrictions by "liberating themselves from legally elected representatives!!!

The US president is now demanding that citizens rise against democratically elected officials (Only Democrats though) if they enact TRump's own instructions!

Beyond the realms of any fiction

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... i-BB12O0M7

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Re: More Trump idiocy

Postby reohn2 » 18 Apr 2020, 12:08pm

Cunobelin wrote:... and it gets ore insane!

Despite saying that they are nt ready for relieving the lockdown, Trump is tweeting for the Citizens to "Rise" and fight the restrictions by "liberating themselves from legally elected representatives!!!

The US president is now demanding that citizens rise against democratically elected officials (Only Democrats though) if they enact TRump's own instructions!

Beyond the realms of any fiction

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... i-BB12O0M7

When you see yourself as the all of everything,the supreme being,the all knowing all encompassing "I am" you can do no wrong see no wrong in your actions or utterances.
The worst of it is many millions actually believe him :shock: :roll: :?
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Re: More Trump idiocy

Postby Cunobelin » 18 Apr 2020, 4:14pm

reohn2 wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:... and it gets ore insane!

Despite saying that they are nt ready for relieving the lockdown, Trump is tweeting for the Citizens to "Rise" and fight the restrictions by "liberating themselves from legally elected representatives!!!

The US president is now demanding that citizens rise against democratically elected officials (Only Democrats though) if they enact TRump's own instructions!

Beyond the realms of any fiction

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... i-BB12O0M7

When you see yourself as the all of everything,the supreme being,the all knowing all encompassing "I am" you can do no wrong see no wrong in your actions or utterances.
The worst of it is many millions actually believe him :shock: :roll: :?



This is one of the worst parts of this, he is provoking the extremists. There have already been ARMED protests. and his claims that these COVID restrictions are a hidden way of restricting gun ownership are raising the ante even further

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Re: More Trump idiocy

Postby Cunobelin » 18 Apr 2020, 4:27pm

PH wrote:
carpetcleaner wrote:I regard Israel as the capital of Israel because the Israelis say it is. Who am I to say if it is or not?


Jerusalem is the capital of Palestine because the Palestinians say it is. Who are you to say if it is or not?

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Re: More Trump idiocy

Postby Oldjohnw » 18 Apr 2020, 4:51pm

Cunobelin wrote:
PH wrote:
carpetcleaner wrote:I regard Israel as the capital of Israel because the Israelis say it is. Who am I to say if it is or not?


Jerusalem is the capital of Palestine because the Palestinians say it is. Who are you to say if it is or not?


But God gave it to Israel.

Ah but. He also gave it to Islam.
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Re: More Trump idiocy

Postby carpetcleaner » 18 Apr 2020, 4:59pm

reohn2 wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:... and it gets ore insane!

Despite saying that they are nt ready for relieving the lockdown, Trump is tweeting for the Citizens to "Rise" and fight the restrictions by "liberating themselves from legally elected representatives!!!

The US president is now demanding that citizens rise against democratically elected officials (Only Democrats though) if they enact TRump's own instructions!

Beyond the realms of any fiction

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... i-BB12O0M7

When you see yourself as the all of everything,the supreme being,the all knowing all encompassing "I am" you can do no wrong see no wrong in your actions or utterances.
The worst of it is many millions actually believe him :shock: :roll: :?


Routine electioneering. He is advising the people of those Democrat ruled states to consider how they vote if they don't like the lock down, and from the protests against them it seems many voters don't.

Mr Trump is a politician in a free, democratic country, and like all his fellow citizens he is entitled to say what he likes.

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Re: More Trump idiocy

Postby reohn2 » 18 Apr 2020, 5:07pm

carpetcleaner wrote:Routine electioneering. He is advising the people of those Democrat ruled states to consider how they vote if they don't like the lock down, and from the protests against them it seems many voters don't.

Mr Trump is a politician in a free, democratic country, and like all his fellow citizens he is entitled to say what he likes.


Trump is narcissistic opportunist tw@t who,due to his blundering and misshandling of his office will cost many Americans their lives unnecessarily,and couldn't lace the boots of his predecessor.
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