Refugees/migrants

[yakdiver]

Great-grandmother, 94, is rescued and brought ashore at Dover after becoming the oldest migrant ever to attempt a Channel crossing
This one is going to be a great asset to the UK, straight into healthcare and on a pension as well.

[roubaixtuesday]

NO THEY LET THEM IN WITH THEIR OPEN BORDERS POLICY

France does not have an open borders policy.

No amount of all- caps changes that.

[Oldjohnw]

I wonder how many independence and Tory voters are moving to mainland Europe - as economic migrants.

[Pebble]

Yes, taking nearly three times as many refugees as we do is most unhelpful...

There is a BIG difference, they let them in so while on their soil it is their problem NOT ours and we have given them over 100 million to stop them and they have treated us like suckers.

They have three times the refugees we do, and we're the suckers.

Got it.

Englands population density is 3.6x greater than France,
UK net migration est 260,000 per year compared to France's 36,000
https://www.worldometers.info/populatio ... opulation/
Clearly France could be taking and supporting many more than they do.

The UK, particularly England is stupidly over-populated. Between three and four times as many people as our land and sea's could reasonably support in a long term environmentally sustainable manner The very last thing we need here is more people.
https://data.footprintnetwork.org/#/

[Vorpal]

Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country that has signed the 1951 Convention and to remain there until the authorities have assessed their claim.

The UK have closed legal means for asylum seekers to enter the country; against international law.

Great-grandmother, 94, is rescued and brought ashore at Dover after becoming the oldest migrant ever to attempt a Channel crossing
This one is going to be a great asset to the UK, straight into healthcare and on a pension as well.

Can you imagine just for a moment how dire she must have felt her circumstances were to attempt a Channel crossing at her age?

When you are 94, do you want people to think that you are nothing more than a burden?

p.s. You'll usually need at least 10 qualifying years on your National Insurance record to get any State Pension.

[Vorpal]

There is a BIG difference, they let them in so while on their soil it is their problem NOT ours and we have given them over 100 million to stop them and they have treated us like suckers.

They have three times the refugees we do, and we're the suckers.

Got it.

Englands population density is 3.6x greater than France,
UK net migration est 260,000 per year compared to France's 36,000
https://www.worldometers.info/populatio ... opulation/
Clearly France could be taking and supporting many more than they do.

The UK, particularly England is stupidly over-populated. Between three and four times as many people as our land and sea's could reasonably support in a long term environmentally sustainable manner The very last thing we need here is more people.
https://data.footprintnetwork.org/#/

The UK is not even in the top 50 of countries by population density. Most of the net migration the the UK are *students*, something that is entirely within the control of the home office.

The university education system has become so underfunded that the universities need international students to make up funding shortfalls. But honestly, the 220000 or so students that have in previous years arrived to study in the UK, contribute significantly to innovation, research grant funding from the EU and international companies, and of course, education funding. So, by all means lobby your MP to prevent them entering the country, but not without understanding the consequences.

[francovendee]

The UK is unique in having seas around it's borders which makes crossing illegally between countries much harder. Blaming France for not stopping the refugees/migrants crossing is pointless. These people have had the opportunity to claim asylum in any of the EU countries they've traveled through but whatever their reason they chose not to do so. Blaming France or any other country for failing to stop them attempting the crossing is wrong.
This is world problem and only likely to get worse if the predicted effects of global warming prove correct.
If there was an easy answer then governments would already have done it and illegal entry to any country would be a thing of the past.
These are people and not animals and if you put yourself in their position you'd understand how desperate they must be to risk their lives and sometimes their children's.

[mercalia]

Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country that has signed the 1951 Convention and to remain there until the authorities have assessed their claim.

The UK have closed legal means for asylum seekers to enter the country; against international law.

Great-grandmother, 94, is rescued and brought ashore at Dover after becoming the oldest migrant ever to attempt a Channel crossing
This one is going to be a great asset to the UK, straight into healthcare and on a pension as well.

Can you imagine just for a moment how dire she must have felt her circumstances were to attempt a Channel crossing at her age?

When you are 94, do you want people to think that you are nothing more than a burden?

p.s. You'll usually need at least 10 qualifying years on your National Insurance record to get any State Pension.

You are making lots of assumptions about the woman. she may be senile. all the people she knows have made it here ( was reported) so whats to lose at her age ? Her dire conditions were imposed by those who left her behind alone

Your pension comments are completely irrelevant as we have Pension Credit to top up any shortfalls. The maximum is just a few pennies short of the New State Pension of £175 pw. So Yakdiver is right, straight into social care that is already failing our own

If you want to criticise some one then go for those ( family) migrants who left her behind. nice people NOT.

[Vorpal]

You are making lots of assumptions about the woman. she may be senile. all the people she knows have made it here ( was reported) so whats to lose at her age ? Her dire conditions were imposed by those who left her behind alone

Thats completely irrelevant as we have Pension Credit to top up any shortfalls. The maximum is just a few pennies short of the New State Pension of £175 pw. So Yakdiver is right, straight into social care that is already failing our own

If you want to criticise some one then go for those ( family) migrants who left her behind. nice people NOT.

It's not irrelavant. The point is that people cannot arrive in the UK at 94 years old & claim any pension. They have to have worked in the UK. If she wants to get a job & work for 10 years, she can qualify for a pension.

She may be eligible for other benefits, but a pension is not one of them.

[Pebble]

The UK is not even in the top 50 of countries by population density. Most of the net migration the the UK are *students*, something that is entirely within the control of the home office.

If we remove principalities etc like Monaco, Honk Kong, Singapore etc and look at proper size countries with a populations greater than lets say 5 Million then England is 4th, Only Rwanda, Bangladesh and South Korea are more tightly packed in

Governments like rapid population growth, it increases GDP and hides debt and borrowing - horrible short term politics, population growth is not sustainable at an economic level let alone an environmental level. More and More people is utter madness.

[mercalia]

You are making lots of assumptions about the woman. she may be senile. all the people she knows have made it here ( was reported) so whats to lose at her age ? Her dire conditions were imposed by those who left her behind alone

Thats completely irrelevant as we have Pension Credit to top up any shortfalls. The maximum is just a few pennies short of the New State Pension of £175 pw. So Yakdiver is right, straight into social care that is already failing our own

If you want to criticise some one then go for those ( family) migrants who left her behind. nice people NOT.

It's not irrelavant. The point is that people cannot arrive in the UK at 94 years old & claim any pension. They have to have worked in the UK. If she wants to get a job & work for 10 years, she can qualify for a pension.

She may be eligible for other benefits, but a pension is not one of them.

as if that matters since Pension Credit could be claimed instead

[windmiller]

What strikes me is how many illegal immigrants are willing to play dice with their lives to make the channel crossing. They have already endured God knows what hardships to arrive in the utopic EU. However they have heard that across the channel there is a grey old island that cast itself out of all things virtuous and progressive. Some say it's at least half filled with racist homophobic little Englanders who despise outsiders. "Hey ho seems like a great place compared to the EU - let's risk life and limb and go there."

[mercalia]

What strikes me is how many illegal immigrants are willing to play dice with their lives to make the channel crossing. They have already endured God knows what hardships to arrive in the utopic EU. However they have heard that across the channel there is a grey old island that cast itself out of all things virtuous and progressive. Some say it's at least half filled with racist homophobic little Englanders who despise outsiders. "Hey ho seems like a great place compared to the EU - let's risk life and limb and go there."

But we dont beat them up and make their life hell? I was listening to LBC and they had some well informed observers who were saying the police in eg France beat them up, tear down their tents and throw their belongings away. The police they come into contact with are not the normal gendarmerie but the brutish ones who deal with riots etc. Also that man in teh news who drowned had had his asylum claim rejected by France so where to go next?. The Romans had the same fascination with Albion, the exotic land of rain and mists at the end of the world

[Oldjohnw]

Asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants. Crossing the channel to land here and then claim asylum is not illegal. International law does not require them to seek assylum in the first country they arrive at: that is an EU convention.

Assylum seekers do not get normal benefits. They get about £30 a week and cannot work no how much they would like to. Illegal immigrants, by their nature, get nothing. As in £0.00.

Repeating falsehoods, no matter how often, does not make them true.

[mercalia]

Asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants. Crossing the channel to land here and then claim asylum is not illegal. International law does not require them to seek assylum in the first country they arrive at: that is an EU convention.

Assylum seekers do not get normal benefits. They get about £30 a week and cannot work no how much they would like to. Illegal immigrants, by their nature, get nothing. As in £0.00.

Repeating falsehoods, no matter how often, does not make them true.

There is still the offence of entering the UK without a passport, meant to deal with cases of those who destroy their documents to falsify their claims. so an asylum seeker can be committing a crime and therefore an illegal immigrant

https://www.cps.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/publications/Immigration-Offences-Annex.pdf

What happens once their asylum claim is accepted? in the old womans case can they then claim Pension Credit

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/claiming-universal-credit-and-other-benefits-if-you-are-a-refugee/refugee-guide-urgent-things-you-need-to-do

seems like maybe yes?