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Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 5:17pm
by mercalia
Psamathe wrote:
mercalia wrote:
mercalia wrote:Image
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.... Didnt see any pasta or rice......

I wonder what would happen if the supermarkets posted a sign above the pasta along the lines of "Pasta is Italian". Cynic in me suspects the shelves would remain full and untouched.

Ian

unless they are italian. Streatham lidl clients seem to be 50% foreigners. You can tell who they are when you see them buy 10 cases or so of water assuming that the water in the UK and in London is not drinkable...

Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 5:28pm
by Oldjohnw
mercalia wrote:Anyone with a new persistent cough or high temperature is now advised to self-isolate for seven days, as the UK government moves to the "delay" phase of its plan to tackle coronavirus.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51857856

well I wonder what will happen if some poor soul is out and about with a cough? lynched? vigilantes?


I have asthma and I cough all the time!

I see that the CMO thinks we already have between 5,000 and 10,000 cases.

Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 5:37pm
by Vorpal
pwa wrote:
Vorpal wrote:Well, they've just closed all schools, nurseries, etc. in Norway.

I think they are on the point of doing the same here in South Wales. But what happens if lots of people stay protected for, say, a month, then emerge to normal life? Will the virus have simply passed by, or will it be there and waiting for them?

I think that they are mainly trying to delay the spread, and will resume normal things gradually.

But for now, the internet in Norway will have a heavy load until at least Easter.

Many, many things are now closed until further notice. Gyms and training centres; providers of personal services, such as nail care, tattoos & piercings, massage, etc.; swimming pools, sports centres, all closed. Also restaurants and bars are only allowed to be open if they can maintain at least 1 metre 'social distancing' and prepare individual portions. No buffets or salad bars. All sports and culture arrangements are now cancelled.

No visits to care homes or retirement homes.

I don't know what, if anything, the government will do to support the businesses that are forced to close because of this.

Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 5:37pm
by mercalia
how will we know when its all over and can get back to normal?

a spokesman for the govt on Radio 4 PM said that the number of infected was probably understated with more in the region of 5-10,000 than the stated 500 or so

Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 5:58pm
by Psamathe
mercalia wrote:
Psamathe wrote:
mercalia wrote:.... Didnt see any pasta or rice......

I wonder what would happen if the supermarkets posted a sign above the pasta along the lines of "Pasta is Italian". Cynic in me suspects the shelves would remain full and untouched.

Ian

unless they are italian. Streatham lidl clients seem to be 50% foreigners. You can tell who they are when you see them buy 10 cases or so of water assuming that the water in the UK and in London is not drinkable...

A few relevant headlines about the panic stockpiling we are seeing

http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2020/03/12/still-plenty-of-porridge-say-supermarkets-2/ wrote:‘STILL PLENTY OF PORRIDGE’ SAY SUPERMARKETS
Supermarkets across the UK say they are running dangerously low on all food supplies although nearly all stocks of porridge remain unaffected.

Ian

Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 6:07pm
by djnotts
PMs briefing probably as straight as could be. Didn't put a figure on deaths, but reading between lines and CSOs numbers comes out at 500,000. Failed, for obvious reasons, to state who will choose who not to treat and on what criteria. Medics will need a "score sheet".

Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 7:09pm
by chesterpete
djnotts wrote:PMs briefing probably as straight as could be. Didn't put a figure on deaths, but reading between lines and CSOs numbers comes out at 500,000. Failed, for obvious reasons, to state who will choose who not to treat and on what criteria. Medics will need a "score sheet".


Thats very chilling.

Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 7:29pm
by mercalia
Psamathe wrote:
mercalia wrote:
Psamathe wrote:I wonder what would happen if the supermarkets posted a sign above the pasta along the lines of "Pasta is Italian". Cynic in me suspects the shelves would remain full and untouched.

Ian

unless they are italian. Streatham lidl clients seem to be 50% foreigners. You can tell who they are when you see them buy 10 cases or so of water assuming that the water in the UK and in London is not drinkable...

A few relevant headlines about the panic stockpiling we are seeing

http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2020/03/12/still-plenty-of-porridge-say-supermarkets-2/ wrote:‘STILL PLENTY OF PORRIDGE’ SAY SUPERMARKETS
Supermarkets across the UK say they are running dangerously low on all food supplies although nearly all stocks of porridge remain unaffected.

Ian


tinned octopus, thats some new to me.any special nationality that eats that? I'll have a look tomorrow re the porridge

Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 7:38pm
by mercalia
Coronavirus: Should I self-isolate and how do I do it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51506729


Spending 15 minutes within 2m (6ft) of someone with the virus, or having face-to-face contact, is judged as close contact and a significant risk.


so now its 2m not 1m

some quite chilling suggestions

Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 7:52pm
by RickH
mercalia wrote:Coronavirus: Should I self-isolate and how do I do it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51506729


Spending 15 minutes within 2m (6ft) of someone with the virus, or having face-to-face contact, is judged as close contact and a significant risk.


so now its 2m not 1m

some quite chilling suggestions

It's probably still 1m really but allows for people's poor judgement of distance so if you say 2m pretty much everyone should manage 1m or more! :D

Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 7:59pm
by mercalia
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Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 8:23pm
by fullupandslowingdown
looking further at that press report
The advice states:
Not to go to work, school, or public areas, use public transport or taxis - or even for a walk
Those with even mild symptoms of infection should stay at least two metres away from other people in their homes, and should sleep alone
Those with confirmed or suspected cases should use a separate bathroom


let them eat cake drivel from boris.gov.uk " 2 metres inside your home, that means ringing a bell to say "I'm coming through, unclean coming through make way" so others can retreat to erm the sides of the room. Sleep alone, so emergency army beds to be supplied for we with only a double bed. And as for separate bathroom, guzzunda and galvanised bath tub time is it?

Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 9:00pm
by RickH
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Quit judging...

Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 9:34pm
by David9694
mercalia wrote:Anyone with a new persistent cough or high temperature is now advised to self-isolate for seven days, as the UK government moves to the "delay" phase of its plan to tackle coronavirus.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51857856

well I wonder what will happen if some poor soul is out and about with a cough? lynched? vigilantes?


Today’s advice seemed pretty mild to me, somewhat British, really - don’t go on a cruise ship if you’re Old (duh!), don’t spread your sniffle/cough around if you’ve got one - doesn’t seem an unreasonable ask. There had been some unpleasantness towards individuals but overall, sitting on a train sniffing ranks with putting your feet or a bag on the seats, or spitting as I saw a young guy do today.

10-14 weeks before we hit the peak - China says it thinks it has peaked. “A lot of families are going to lose a loved one before their time” - pretty chilling stuff from the PM. He doesn’t exactly seem all over this issue - I can’t tell if that’s from statesmanship, indifference or incompetence.

Re: Coronavirus (aka COVID-19) - just how serious?

Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 9:37pm
by pete75
David9694 wrote:
mercalia wrote:Anyone with a new persistent cough or high temperature is now advised to self-isolate for seven days, as the UK government moves to the "delay" phase of its plan to tackle coronavirus.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51857856

well I wonder what will happen if some poor soul is out and about with a cough? lynched? vigilantes?


Today’s advice seemed pretty mild to me, somewhat British, really - don’t go on a cruise ship if you’re Old (duh!), don’t spread your sniffle/cough around if you’ve got one - doesn’t seem an unreasonable ask. There had been some unpleasantness towards individuals but overall, sitting on a train sniffing ranks with putting your feet or a bag on the seats, or spitting as I saw a young guy do today.

10-14 weeks before we hit the peak - China says it thinks it has peaked. “A lot of families are going to lose a loved one before their time” - pretty chilling stuff from the PM. He doesn’t exactly seem all over this issue - I can’t tell if that’s from statesmanship, indifference or incompetence.


The last two.

From an article in the Independent written by a Doctor who's actually working on Coronavirus cases
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/co ... 97736.html



"China had the capacity to build 2,000-bed hospitals, lock down 750 million people, and fly in thousands of medical staff. Italy, despite having a well-resourced healthcare sector, has been overwhelmed. With 100,000 missing staff, 10,000 missing doctors, 40,000 missing nurses and around £3bn missing from our budget, we have neither Italy’s well-resourced healthcare system nor China’s capacity."