pwa wrote:You stereotype EU immigrants (broadly good) and those born in Wales (broadly bad). Your way of thinking is dinosaur stuff, the Bernard Manning views of the 1970s. The great majority of people in my part of the UK are friendly, and they deplore fire starters. It takes a couple of idiots to set fire to a mountain side, leaving thousands in the valley below to suffer the smoke inhalation and wish the idiots would stop doing it. It happened near Bolton last year, and in the Pennines above Manchester. Don't you have small minorities in your own area who do things that the majority hate? Do you feel as free to condemn black communities in London for the knife crime that happens in those communities, or is this blanket condemning of communities only okay if the group in question isn't classed as a minority? I would never dream of condemning a whole community like that. Your views are bigoted ignorance worthy of Alf Garnett. It isn't made okay because the community you attack from afar is white or non-migrant. They are still human and deserve more intelligent and humane treatment. There was anti-Welsh bigotry in England in medieval times. It goes back a long way, not as long as anti-Semitism, but a long way nonetheless. You follow a long tradition.
What you won't get in the former industrial valleys (where I don't live, by the way, and where my wife does not teach) is much violent crime. You have to go to English cities for that. Liverpool, Manchester, Nottingham and London, for example. Given the choice, I'll put up with a few grass fires up in the valleys if it means I don't have to live somewhere with a lot of violent crime.
(Why did you even start this tack? Are you on the beer? I never even hinted that migrant groups might be more criminal than UK-born groups. I don't believe that.)
Now I am Bernard Manning or Alf Garnett!
But I am not anti-immigration nor do I read or give house room to the sickly moralistic and yet profoundly othering Daily Mail and it's ilk.
Nor am I simplistically "immigrant good"; "born in Wales bad".
It is a distortion.
I see benefit in tolerance and understanding between disparate Nations and their peoples.
I simply state that the S Wales area has more than it's fair share of anti social and criminal behaviour.
I am not anti Welsh at all, merely calling a spade a spade.
I am actually something of a lover of Wales but I love lots of other places and peoples too.
(And I have put that love of Wales into solid quiet demonstrable practice; sometimes quite successfully. A half a lifetime's labour of love!)
I see good where there is good, and bad where there is bad, I think, not some "faux patriotic" blinkered view.
For therein lies the most contemporary peril IMO.
The arsonists are more than just "a couple" of idiots.
The last dry weeks have seen many hundreds of costly call outs of the S Wales Fire Brigade even at this difficult time. The environmental and financial cost is enormous.
The report from the Fire Officer I read stated the culprits were intent on "causing chaos".
It's been going on for decades.
It is a home grown problem.
Educate and fix it is my serious suggestion, for there is a clear failing in that regard.
From what I read on the BBC Wales news attacks against incomers and minority groups are also pretty common down there.
Cardiff has a reputation up here in the N. for being sodden in alcohol on Saturday nights.
These societal ills will not be cured by either this lousy Govt or leaving the EU.
If anything these two factors will exacerbate things.
The loss of jobs and industry has already started.
But that is what you voted for back then. So I guess that's ok.
Though I have deep concerns about being taken along this path by this self same voter base and a Govt. and its Press full of callous exploiting this rather narrow view.
As an example now we see the Corona Virus couched in terms of another nationalistic "war against the enemy", rather than a tragic rebalancing of the natural forces we are all subject too.
A peril that actually no "war" can win.
We need to be cleverer than that.