The utility cyclist wrote:Oldjohnw wrote:The utility cyclist wrote:Read what i said.
Out of 1.25-1.5million NHS employees do you not think that on an given day some of them will die, probability says that NHS employees might die every single day?
You're being told what the media are telling you, people will die WITH a virus, not BECAUSE of the virus, so not actual cause of death.
But to repeat beause you didn't bother to read THE UK's GOVERNMENTS ADVISOR SAID the majority would die no matter what.
People die every day, sometimes unexplained, tens of thousands die due to pneumonia and influenza (40,000 excess winter deaths ring a bell?), some of them who work for the NHS, this happens EVERY YEAR!
Actually I don't recognise that number. The ONS says on average 17,000 excess deaths. It may be that the number of deaths are limited: I hope so. But that will be because people follow medical guidance.
I'm sure you have a heart some where. I do hope you can locate it.
You can't try to guilt trip me using false data
Have you actually looked at the raw data? 2019 total respiratory deaths in England and Wales only.
Download the 2019 XLS from here https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales look for the tab/sheet Weekly figures 2019, look to the right of "All respiratory diseases (ICD-10 J00-J99)
ICD-10 v 2013 (IRIS)"
These are all the weekly respiratory deaths per week, they add up to 71,674 for the year, these are where RD was the underlying cause!
And if you download the 2020 XLS this will show you the true number of C19 deaths that are actually being mentioned/entered on the death certificates - so not always sole reason for death and Prof Ferguson tells us that the vast majority of C.19 deaths are from pre existing conditions, is in fact 647 up until end of 27th March. Massaging death numbers works to make the lie work
As I said before, we are being sold a massive lie, the govs own data tells us that compared to all other respiratory diseases C.19 is a drop in the ocean when you take into account that the vast majority are NOT death from C.19 but daths WITH C.19 and there is pressure to mention it on deaths certificates despite not being underlying cause, frankly that is disgusting using the dead to push the agenda.
I have a heart, but I have a brain and understanding when we are being duped.
Good luck spinning the latest figures.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeop ... 65839.xlsx
These are deaths registered 28 March to 3rd April. Date of death average 5 days earlier, so 23rd March to 30 March approx.
Officially around 2700 covid-19 deaths recorded by NHS
Normal seasonal deaths 10,305. Actual registered deaths: 16,387.
AFAICT that's the highest number of deaths in any week ever. The previous record was 16,237 3-9 January 2015, a number that would have been inflated by late registration of deaths over Christmas/New Year. (Actual numbers would have been ~14,500)