Vorpal wrote: irc wrote:
Lots of sense in that post. Anecdotally GPs I work with doing house calls are finding patients with conditions where it is strongly advised they are admitted to hospital are refusing to go. Fear of Covid has been pushed so much that other serious conditions are not being treated optimally if at all.
Don't forget the risk from Covid is roughly another dose of the annual all causes risk we all run every year. We don't shut down society for those risks.https://medium.com/wintoncentre/how-muc ... 39118e1196
IMO, the problems with COVID-19, are not necessarily the increased risk to the average individual. They are instead,
-the risk of hospitalisation
-the increased risk to certain groups of people
The combination of contagiousness and a moderate risk of hospitalisation are why many countries have imposed social distancing and other measures.
Contagiousness is no greater than influenza but then given the UK has stopped testing for influenza we have no idea, do you know how many actual influenza tests have been done in a week across Eng&Wales? In week 16 there were TWO tests across every single ILI case, TWO fgs!
Mortality is no greater than influenza
What have been the hospitalisations as a direct result of C.19, we can't know because the government don't produce that number, are simply including people all lumped together and calling everything C.19
However you missed out those dying at home in the thousands every single week, thousands dying in care/residential homes and hospitals when they had serious existing medical problems or suffered strokes and it's too late to do anything because the focus is on a threat that is being massively overly egged. Because of isolating vulnerable persons, taking staff/carers, nurses, doctors away from those that need help just as much as those with a virus. All of which kills more people, puts more burden on the system, this is a cyclical catch 22 scenario that gets worse because of the actions/lockdown.
When you already have a system that is at breaking point and the reaction to a scenario that isn't more than any other, it's that reaction that is actually doing the greater harm, not just short term but long term, very long term, C.19 will continue to be blamed but actually it's the reaction to it and the lack of decent care systems and governments that are selling us down the river every single day. The lives lost in advance of their time are dwarfing that actually FROM covid19 and will continue to do so as we'll be in recession for decades.
Can you not appreciate it or see it, the harm done by the reaction itself and lack of action in equal measure and that it is the biggest aspect of the harm and how it continues week in week out to be the threat (and we know it is because of more deaths but not FROM respiratory diseases)
When the NHS is sold off, when social/health care is reduced to that of the US clapping the PHS - Private Health Service won't do squat, locking down every time a so called extraordinary threat occurs will kill more people, this is obvious, the destruction of the fabric of our lives and the vulnerable suffer is because of fear, panic and outright ignorance, lies and bad leadership all the way from WHO downwards!
The have nots are going to be even more screwed than ever, but at least you can all blame a virus for it, at least you can pat yourselves on the back for blindly following orders to 'stay indoors'
Money for cycling, don't make me laugh, piecemeal temporary lanes and lots of waffle won't do squat, there will be no money because the country was already on the bones of its buttock and the reaction to a virus that was no worse a threat than flu has ut us through to the bone!