Covid 19 outbreak - arguing about Stats (again)

[The utility cyclist]

Here's a screen shot of my spreadsheet comparison to 12th June of weekly deaths in England and Wales from ALL respiratory diseases (incl C.19) as underlying cause, again all data taken directly from the register at ONS, no fake news/inaccurate graphs showing deaths that are not from C.19 at all, just raw data.

Have you got a link to the raw data please? I've been trying to find it on the ONS website but can't find any lists of causes of death. All I find is the weekly report which doesn't appear to have causes of death included.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales

They even include neo-natals in the c.19 mentioned deaths but don't include neonatal in the respiratory deaths as underlying cause count, thus making out many deaths of babies to be from C.19 when in fact they aren't at all as they are never counted in the respiratory deaths section ever so cannot by definition be a C.19 'death' this is what they've done were C.19 is 'mentioned' on death certificate, counted it as a C.19 death when in fact for the most part it clearly isn't and cannot be as the total respiratory death total is far lower than the C.19 total, a massive manipulation and locking down based on that as well as the utter nonsense modelling using infant school thinking regards mortality rate and R numbers that ignore joined up thinking totally
" Counts of deaths by underlying cause exclude deaths at age under 28 days. Counts of deaths involving Covid-19 will include neonatals."

[[XAP]Bob]

Hence why I was looking at the surplus over the expected weekly rate.

[reohn2]

Worth a listen:- https://youtu.be/QMoS5fEE1PU

[The utility cyclist]

Top scientists including Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt denounce lockdown and state that Neil Ferguson et al were massively wrong and the modelling was a "disgrace"
Professor Beda Stadler Chairman Of Immuniology Dept University of Bern states that the testing kits that were coming out of China (and likely elsewhere) will test positive for pretty much everything.
he also states that the statements regarding no immunity was also false and no-one had an assay to prove that was true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-Jsz8b ... e=emb_logo

[The utility cyclist]

more truth from Wolfgang Wodarg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... e=emb_logo

[mjal]

I told myself not to waste any more time and energy in engaging with TUC...but here are some quotes from the good Prof Stadler's article (Google translated from German) to which TUC directs us :

"SARS-Cov-2 is not that new at all, but a seasonal cold virus that is mutated and, like all other cold viruses, disappears in summer-
which can now be observed almost everywhere in the world"

"The virus is gone for now. It will probably come back in winter, but this will not be a second wave, just a cold."

Publication date for this article appears to be 12 June. Is it possible to believe that Stadler can make such statements at that time? A few minutes perusal of https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries will show the true picture in USA, Brazil, India etc. And TUC relies on this person for "evidence" to back his usual outlandish theories.

PS : before anyone brings up the old "but more tests are being done" point, remember that the proportion of positive tests in many areas (of the USA, for example) is increasing.

[Vorpal]

I guess 99% of scientists are wrong, yet again. [/sarcasm]

[reohn2]

I see BoJo is now trying to blame care home staff for the high death tol of people in theie care

[ANTONISH]

I see BoJo is now trying to blame care home staff for the high death tol of people in theie care

Well you can't expect him to blame himself

When the buck stops it stops at some overworked and underpaid care worker struggling to do their job without the benefit of the required PPE.

"From the beginning we threw a protective shield around care homes" says Hancock - would you buy a second hand car from either of them?

[The utility cyclist]

I told myself not to waste any more time and energy in engaging with TUC...but here are some quotes from the good Prof Stadler's article (Google translated from German) to which TUC directs us :

"SARS-Cov-2 is not that new at all, but a seasonal cold virus that is mutated and, like all other cold viruses, disappears in summer-
which can now be observed almost everywhere in the world"

"The virus is gone for now. It will probably come back in winter, but this will not be a second wave, just a cold."

Publication date for this article appears to be 12 June. Is it possible to believe that Stadler can make such statements at that time? A few minutes perusal of https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries will show the true picture in USA, Brazil, India etc. And TUC relies on this person for "evidence" to back his usual outlandish theories.

PS : before anyone brings up the old "but more tests are being done" point, remember that the proportion of positive tests in many areas (of the USA, for example) is increasing.

Don't waste your time then, just look at the actual raw data at the register of deaths, this proves comprehensively that the government and WHO are lying about the death toll. I even made a formal complaint to ONS regards their blatant 'mistake' when they stated that the majority of deaths were FROM C.19 when this was the complete opposite.
They are complicit along with government in terms of spreading false news and causing people to live in fear of a minor virus strain,

Keep sticking your head in the sand to the actual facts and keep not engaging.

[The utility cyclist]

I guess 99% of scientists are wrong, yet again. [/sarcasm]

99% of scientists are too afraid to reveal the truth because they want to keep their jobs, if you can't accept that not sticking your head above the parapet is what the majority do then you've got some logical thinking problems. This type of being wrong and following the herd of other 'experts' happens everywhere, this was discussed regards economic forcasters by one of the head bods at the IMF.
'Prakash Loungani at the IMF analysed the accuracy of economic forecasters and found something remarkable and worrying. “The record of failure to predict recessions is virtually unblemished,” he said.
His analysis revealed that economists had failed to predict 148 of the past 150 recessions. Part of the problem, he said, was that there wasn’t much of a reputational gain to be had by predicting a recession others had missed. If you disagreed with the consensus, you would be met with scepticism.

Being outed as being massively wrong and then admitting that mistake which goes against the grain of the masses is in the current climate a career ender, on top of that because of the damage locking down and the (over) reaction to a minor virus strain would mean law-suits on an unprecendented level plus calls for genocide charges against WHO, various governments around the world and the heads of the so called 99% of 'experts to also be on the chopping block.
Do you think you would stand up and admit you were wrong on such a massive scale, would you stand up against the masses knowing you would be ridiculed, lose your job, your reputation and be attacked, extremely unlikely.

[Phileas]

99% of scientists are too afraid to reveal the truth

So they just make up experimental results?

[roubaixtuesday]

99% of scientists are too afraid to reveal the truth

So they just make up experimental results?

No, they also coordinate with other scientists across the world to make sure everyone is making up the results in a consistent way. Obviously.

[Oldjohnw]

Like Messrs Trump and Bolsonaro, listening to experts, especially medical ones, is unnecessary. And in any case, costs money.

[The utility cyclist]

99% of scientists are too afraid to reveal the truth

So they just make up experimental results?

Well that's exactly what they've done isn't it?
A test so flawed that we know full well it cannot isolate the virus strain, otherwise why would the government force the hand of doctors to write C.19 on a death certificate when there's no test whatsoever done, or a negative test but 'symptoms', put down C19 instead of or as well as pneumonia. A test we know gives a positive from dead organic matter (admitted by WHO) or just a single cell of a virus that may or may not be SARS-COV- 2 because of the amplification of such.
We know that they make up the numbers to show something that does not exist in terms of mortality rate ( Neil ferguson's 'modelling' proven time and again to be absolute pony!), also in terms of R number by manipulating what a test represents, test one person 4 times in a day with a faulty test at that and get 4 positives, this is then used to represent 4 people. Test more people again with a faulty test and you get more positive tests, Leicester shut down on the back of flawed methodology and confirmation bias ... yet again. How can you not see this, I'm sure the so called experts see it but are just so deep into the web of lies and deceit they cannot back track so continue to go with the herd/consensus.