Covid 19 outbreak - arguing about Stats (again)

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Re: Covid 19 outbreak - arguing about Stats (again)

Postby reohn2 » 14 Jul 2020, 1:10pm

Oldjohnw wrote:I see Mr Hancock is closing all stable doors in 10 days time.

Meanwhile, I wonder if he will write on the side of a bus: "Brexit - £13bn and rising, could've gone to the NHS".

And that's the truth of it.
As the horse(some would say Unicorn)frolics in the meadow of destruction of the country....

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PPS,It's what you get when shysters,liars and incompetents are doing the jobs of responsible competently capable adults with a modicom morality.The whole country is an utter shambolic mess and has been for some years.
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Re: Covid 19 outbreak - arguing about Stats (again)

Postby Oldjohnw » 14 Jul 2020, 1:24pm

Obviously, Mr Cummings has just remembered that one of his mates is in the face mask manufacturing business.
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Re: Covid 19 outbreak - arguing about Stats (again)

Postby landsurfer » 14 Jul 2020, 2:12pm

reohn2 wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:I see Mr Hancock is closing all stable doors in 10 days time.

Meanwhile, I wonder if he will write on the side of a bus: "Brexit - £13bn and rising, could've gone to the NHS".

And that's the truth of it.
As the horse(some would say Unicorn)frolics in the meadow of destruction of the country....

PS,The loonies... ...the asylum,etc.

PPS,It's what you get when shysters,liars and incompetents are doing the jobs of responsible competently capable adults with a modicom morality.The whole country is an utter shambolic mess and has been for some years.


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Re: Covid 19 outbreak - arguing about Stats (again)

Postby Oldjohnw » 15 Jul 2020, 8:48am

There are many reasons to want Johnson and Gove to wear masks, not all of which are connected to Covid.
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Re: Covid 19 outbreak - arguing about Stats (again)

Postby Mick F » 17 Jul 2020, 9:22am

Oldjohnw wrote:There are many reasons to want Johnson and Gove to wear masks, not all of which are connected to Covid.
Seeing that we're all going to need masks in shops, I bought one of these.
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Re: Covid 19 outbreak - arguing about Stats (again)

Postby mercalia » 17 Jul 2020, 8:31pm

so we are going to get an investigation of the govts handling of the Covid-19 crisis but not yet.

Well Robert Peston at the Spectator supplies his own

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-did-the-uk-s-coronavirus-response-go-so-wrong-?

Not comfortable reading. damning.

eg

e) Why – and this is the biggest question of all – had Whitehall and ministers not learned the most important lesson from the banking crisis of 2007-8, which is that when there is a reasonable prospect of catastrophe, it is far better to intervene early and with devastating force, than do the minimum and hope for the best?

The problem for ministers, Whitehall officials and scientists is that it is not hindsight that condemns them. The SAGE minutes from February are explicit that they had all the information they needed to protect the UK. But for reasons they are yet to adequately explain, they were never confident they could do more than 'reduce the peak incidence of cases'.

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Postby [XAP]Bob » 19 Jul 2020, 1:37pm

Mick F wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:There are many reasons to want Johnson and Gove to wear masks, not all of which are connected to Covid.
Seeing that we're all going to need masks in shops, I bought one of these.mask.JPG


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Re: Covid 19 outbreak - arguing about Stats (again)

Postby The utility cyclist » 21 Jul 2020, 11:57pm

government going to bend the facts again with yet more criminal activity by producing deaths out their arrises and reclassifying deaths that has never being done before in the history of coding a death!
Also thpousands of tests done and no new positive cases, yet apparently there's second wave going to kill 120,000 people, such liars! :twisted:
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/495421-inflate ... ity-rates/

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Postby pwa » 22 Jul 2020, 10:59am

The utility cyclist wrote:government going to bend the facts again with yet more criminal activity by producing deaths out their arrises and reclassifying deaths that has never being done before in the history of coding a death!
Also thpousands of tests done and no new positive cases, yet apparently there's second wave going to kill 120,000 people, such liars! :twisted:
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/495421-inflate ... ity-rates/

Where do you find these sites? It looks like the sort of stuff Trump would refer to.

Hancock has got the statistics people correcting out Covid deaths that were not actually Covid deaths, so why talk about it as a cover-up when it is no such thing. It is out in the open. I wait with interest to see the adjusted figures which will, hopefully, be a bit less dramatic about the impact of the virus. But my expectation is that the number of people who had Covid, recovered, then died of something else shortly after, will be quite small. But we will see.

That 120 000 figure is one that nobody is saying will happen, so why mention it? It was a worst case scenario if counter measures were not undertaken (which they would be) and all factors went the wrong way, which was not deemed likely, but merely possible. It was not a prediction.

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Re: Covid 19 outbreak - arguing about Stats (again)

Postby The utility cyclist » 22 Jul 2020, 2:34pm

pwa wrote:
The utility cyclist wrote:government going to bend the facts again with yet more criminal activity by producing deaths out their arrises and reclassifying deaths that has never being done before in the history of coding a death!
Also thpousands of tests done and no new positive cases, yet apparently there's second wave going to kill 120,000 people, such liars! :twisted:
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/495421-inflate ... ity-rates/

Where do you find these sites? It looks like the sort of stuff Trump would refer to.

Hancock has got the statistics people correcting out Covid deaths that were not actually Covid deaths, so why talk about it as a cover-up when it is no such thing. It is out in the open. I wait with interest to see the adjusted figures which will, hopefully, be a bit less dramatic about the impact of the virus. But my expectation is that the number of people who had Covid, recovered, then died of something else shortly after, will be quite small. But we will see.

That 120 000 figure is one that nobody is saying will happen, so why mention it? It was a worst case scenario if counter measures were not undertaken (which they would be) and all factors went the wrong way, which was not deemed likely, but merely possible. It was not a prediction.

So anything outside of what you can comprehend you resort to comparing to a moronic puppet :lol:

The correction is to invent deaths FROM Covid 19 that are not C.19 deaths at all, this is pretty clear, also they aren't actually admitting that their 'count' is utterly false, it uses any mention of a death on the death cert despite flawed tests, despite C.19 being put on cert in place of or as well as pneumonia and counted as a C.19 death, something again that has never ever being done previously.

120,000 is the number the governments experts have stated that could occur this winter, again using false workings out because again, a death by respiratory disease (or any coding within that section) is not a death if respiratory disease is not the underlying cause.
If we had counted this way in previous years using influenza, then literally every person in the country who died would have suffered a flu death given the prevalence of H1N1 and the other strains within society, and the use of a test that amplifies dead matter, amplifies even a single cell to trigger a positive. But that was never done because it would be insane and criminal to project a pandemic based on false counting, this is precisly what the government have done!
Here's the latest death toll from respiratory diseases for England and Wales, again note the death toll is significantly lower than any other year, check the actual deaths FROM 'C.19. and this is 10% of the respiratory deaths YTD, masks are not just a joke, they are utterly unnecessary except in a sterile environment such an operating theatre.
respiratory deaths comparison 2015 to 2020.JPG