George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue

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Re: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue

Postby Oldjohnw » 18 Jun 2020, 7:47am

Vorpal wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:Of course, the officer should also have due process. I do not understand why he is sacked without enquiry.

At least in the UK, whilst he would be suspended, it would be pending a PCC investigation.

Apparently he was fired due to gross misconduct, and more than seven violations of police department procedure, all recorded on the officers body cameras, or bystander mobiles. One of his shots narrowly missed an innocent bystander.

He is now being charged on 11 counts, including murder. The murder charge is brought in part because instead of calling an ambulance (required by department procedure) after shooting Mr. Brooks, he kicked him.

There were a number of witnesses and at least 3 mobile phone recordings of the incident. That information was available from the press conference , but as that is lengthy, a summary is here: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... rett-rolfe


Thanks. Difficult to defend the ex cop. Since he is charged he will get his day in court.
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Re: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue

Postby broadway » 18 Jun 2020, 8:30am

Cunobelin wrote:If the true aim is to remove Rhodes, you cannot let his celebration continue in any form.


Looks like you're siding with the argument that it should closed and the the funds returned.

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Re: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue

Postby slowster » 18 Jun 2020, 9:56am

Mike Sales wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:Looks like the Rhodes statue is going.....

Yet the students are quite willing to accept the same person's memory being celebrated in the Rhodes institute, the Rhodes scholarships etc.

Seems that the token gesture of removing a small statue is sufficient... lets not accept any financial impact on the University - Rhodes is completely acceptable if there is a financial loss to consider

A sad token gesture without any real meaning


Apparently only about 7% of the Rhodes Trust's £32m income is earmarked for southern African scholarships, compared with about 77% for Australasia and North America. Perhaps more money should go to the places where it was made?

That seems like a good idea to me. Maybe it should be taken even further and the control of the Trust should be transferred. Currently the Trustees are overwhelmingly white and appear largely to be drawn from the 'great and the good' of the UK. Instead the trust could be controlled by South African trustees selected from the 'great and the good' of their academia and society, who could then fund southern african students to go to universities of those trustees' choosing e.g. Harvard, MIT, Imperial College London, Edinburgh University etc.

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Re: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue

Postby Cunobelin » 18 Jun 2020, 5:40pm

broadway wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:If the true aim is to remove Rhodes, you cannot let his celebration continue in any form.


Looks like you're siding with the argument that it should be closed and the funds returned.


It is simple, if you cannot have a statue because it represents a colonialist, then how can you justify the existence of a huge financial and educational institute celebrating the same person.

EIther the University cuts its links with Rhodes or not.... accepting celebration of his memory because it is financially convenient is hypocritical

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Re: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue

Postby mercalia » 24 Jun 2020, 11:48am

Britain's persistent racism cannot simply be explained by its imperial history
David Edgerton

David Edgerton is Hans Rausing Professor of the history of science and technology and professor of modern British history at King's College London. He is the author of The Rise and Fall of the British Nation: a Twentieth Century history


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/24/britain-persistent-racism-imperial-history?

well I have read the article. I assume the author chose the title. Not sure I follow his argument. If the empire is not the source of Britsh racism what is? Is he suggesting the class system or nationalism?

if so, tearing down the statues of the imperialists by the BLM is misguided? "wasnt me guv"


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Re: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue

Postby roubaixtuesday » 25 Jun 2020, 1:42pm



A piece of noxious paranoia dripping in faux victimhood and attempting to smear opponents rather than address the issues. Moore is intelligent and does this deliberately and consciously.

But hey, it's the Spectator, what should we expect - previously edited by Johnson and recently published without apology the lies of Cumming's wife about lockdown.