Apprentice Pieces
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My memory's a bit hazy, but weren't these pieces from some sort of engineering industry work book,
something ...Industry Training Board comes to mind, possibly different in the RN Mick ?
I made the scribing block similar to the one pictured up thread, a G-Clamp with square cut screw thread, the tool box with hand finished rivets (not 'pop'), a pair of large toolmakers clamp and pictured below
large and small tap holders an odd leg scribing caliper and a little soldered tin plate box with a sliding lid. The small tap holder pictured is a tricky little thing with a sliding jaw with a little pin inserted at 90 degrees that engaged in a slot on the holder body so that the v end always presented itself in the correct position for the tap. If you look closely you can see where where I nicked the body with a milling cutter by mistake and the terrible knurling, bad workmanship is forever . These are all I have left now, the rest having succumbed to DSI (Damp Shed Syndrome over the years).
It was a shame when all the government training centres were shut down, you could learn virtually all the trades to some sort of level even if you couldn't get an apprenticeship or needed to re-train. My late Father was a hosiery knitter by trade and when he was laid off in the mid '60's he was able to re-train as an instrument fitter (precision machinist) whilst being paid a previous earnings related amount during the course. He ended up working at the local Royal Naval Research Establishment.This place was considered top secret locally, but years later here's a Pathe
News clip of some work they were doing on lasers at the time on You Tube ! I thought this might be of interest to you Mick. You have to love the meccano frame holding the laser !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj2qTYgi_vE
something ...Industry Training Board comes to mind, possibly different in the RN Mick ?
I made the scribing block similar to the one pictured up thread, a G-Clamp with square cut screw thread, the tool box with hand finished rivets (not 'pop'), a pair of large toolmakers clamp and pictured below
large and small tap holders an odd leg scribing caliper and a little soldered tin plate box with a sliding lid. The small tap holder pictured is a tricky little thing with a sliding jaw with a little pin inserted at 90 degrees that engaged in a slot on the holder body so that the v end always presented itself in the correct position for the tap. If you look closely you can see where where I nicked the body with a milling cutter by mistake and the terrible knurling, bad workmanship is forever . These are all I have left now, the rest having succumbed to DSI (Damp Shed Syndrome over the years).
It was a shame when all the government training centres were shut down, you could learn virtually all the trades to some sort of level even if you couldn't get an apprenticeship or needed to re-train. My late Father was a hosiery knitter by trade and when he was laid off in the mid '60's he was able to re-train as an instrument fitter (precision machinist) whilst being paid a previous earnings related amount during the course. He ended up working at the local Royal Naval Research Establishment.This place was considered top secret locally, but years later here's a Pathe
News clip of some work they were doing on lasers at the time on You Tube ! I thought this might be of interest to you Mick. You have to love the meccano frame holding the laser !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj2qTYgi_vE
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I think the Engineering Industry training board came into being in the mid 60s. At that time a lot of employers werent doing their bit training craftsmen. They had to either train people or pay a levy if they didnt. The levy was then distributed somehow to those firms that did.
I think the concept of apprentices pieces came from the military and was widely adopted by other organisations. The organisation that trained me via a Student Apprenticeship was originally the Ministry of Supply. Then it changed to the Ministry of Aviation and later the Ministry of Defence. At the Royal Aircraft Establishment there were 400 apprentices, about 300 Craft Apprentices and 100 Student Apprentices. The Royal Ordinance Factories and places like Aldermaston BOAC BEA Harwell Burfield and the CEGB etc also trained Apprentices. The organisation I trained with is now private, Qinetic, the science and engineering tasks that we carried out are now farmed out and Qinetic is a world class innovator. The RAF had a training school for apprentices at RAF Halton and the Army and Navy had places too. Reputable big companies still train apprentices in really good schemes. However the government so called scheme for private employers is mostly a bit of scotch mist as far as I can see. Every apprentice I see I ask about deeds. These set out what the employer must provide and what the apprentice must achieve. I always get a blank look...
Student Apprentices are now touted as the answer to solve our obvious weaknesses in Technology and Science. Practical training for Engineering graduates would make them more useful immediately. How great ideas come around again. About 50 years too late...
Al
I think the concept of apprentices pieces came from the military and was widely adopted by other organisations. The organisation that trained me via a Student Apprenticeship was originally the Ministry of Supply. Then it changed to the Ministry of Aviation and later the Ministry of Defence. At the Royal Aircraft Establishment there were 400 apprentices, about 300 Craft Apprentices and 100 Student Apprentices. The Royal Ordinance Factories and places like Aldermaston BOAC BEA Harwell Burfield and the CEGB etc also trained Apprentices. The organisation I trained with is now private, Qinetic, the science and engineering tasks that we carried out are now farmed out and Qinetic is a world class innovator. The RAF had a training school for apprentices at RAF Halton and the Army and Navy had places too. Reputable big companies still train apprentices in really good schemes. However the government so called scheme for private employers is mostly a bit of scotch mist as far as I can see. Every apprentice I see I ask about deeds. These set out what the employer must provide and what the apprentice must achieve. I always get a blank look...
Student Apprentices are now touted as the answer to solve our obvious weaknesses in Technology and Science. Practical training for Engineering graduates would make them more useful immediately. How great ideas come around again. About 50 years too late...
Al
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Wow Al, Talking about good old "Indentures"! Steeped in tradition. Use Steredent myself MM
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My little old Miners Cottage in Cornwall had indentures too.
MM you arent old enough for dentures? Or are you
Al
MM you arent old enough for dentures? Or are you
Al
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If it moves, salute it.Cunobelin wrote:As a Scablifter, we were always taught that Naval Engineering was a two-day course...
Day 1 - Things that don't move, but should
LIberally apply WD40 and hit it with a hammer
Day 2 Things that move, but shouldn't
Wrap in Pussers Gaffer tape until it can't move
Day 3 - Passing out parade
If it doesn't move, paint it.
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Can I just say, how wonderful it is to read about other apprentices and their training and stuff.
Absolutely wonderful.
I was asked on a different thread to show my workshop pieces and this thread has grown.
Very impressed with all your memories.
Here's another of my bits.
Woodruff key in a block.
Shaping by using a lathe and turning the brass and hole, and the rear face was left as it was to show how our work on making our own lathe facing tool worked and how we marked out the square slot.
Mick F. Cornwall
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Mick F wrote:If it moves, salute it.Cunobelin wrote:As a Scablifter, we were always taught that Naval Engineering was a two-day course...
Day 1 - Things that don't move, but should
LIberally apply WD40 and hit it with a hammer
Day 2 Things that move, but shouldn't
Wrap in Pussers Gaffer tape until it can't move
Day 3 - Passing out parade
If it doesn't move, paint it.
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Can I just say, how wonderful it is to read about other apprentices and their training and stuff.
Absolutely wonderful.
I was asked on a different thread to show my workshop pieces and this thread has grown.
Very impressed with all your memories.
Here's another of my bits.
Woodruff key in a block.
Shaping by using a lathe and turning the brass and hole, and the rear face was left as it was to show how our work on making our own lathe facing tool worked and how we marked out the square slot.
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REgret that as a RAdiographer, all my "apprentice pieces have long gone, we could never really bring films home. All I have is my logbooks and case studies.
I was the first person to actually present a word-processed practical record and case studies. Amstrad word processor with a 9 pin dot matrix printer. 3 minutes of multi-pass rattling before you got a "high quality" page
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As an apprentice I trained for a short time in the AIDs non destructive test laboratory. Magnetic crack detection, ultrasonics and of course radiography. My most fearful task was extracting a gamma ray source from a lead ball on the end of a steel rod and quickly taking it into an area surrounded by concrete blocks and clamping it in position to take a radiograph of a large forging. Not good for the nuts!
Al
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God made heaven and earth
Mick F and his like built all the rest
Mick F and his like built all the rest
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Cyril Haearn wrote:God made heaven and earth
Mick F and his like built all the rest
This thread is a trip down memory lane, slightly off thread Cyrils' quote reminded me of a saying a friends mother had
" God made the earth and all that it contains
except the Scottish highlands which are owned by McBrains"
Sorry back to thread.
inside and outside calipers, odd legs or "Jennys" and a hand vice (that wasn't one of my best pieces ) hence the leg that's missing
latest product of the workshop a new barbie using an old 16in wheel rim as the base, the insert that holds the coals lifts out then you can use it as a fire pit
Percussive maintainance, if it don't fit, hit it with the hammer.
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ferrit worrier wrote:Cyril Haearn wrote:God made heaven and earth
Mick F and his like built all the rest
This thread is a trip down memory lane, slightly off thread Cyrils' quote reminded me of a saying a friends mother had
" God made the earth and all that it contains
except the Scottish highlands which are owned by McBrains"
I am not so technical, more literary
I think it should be 'except the Kyles and the Western Isles, for they are all MacBraynes'
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Blimey - that sounds like some sort of system that takes people and their skills & experience into consideration - wonder what happened to that sort of thing...My late Father was a hosiery knitter by trade and when he was laid off in the mid '60's he was able to re-train as an instrument fitter (precision machinist) whilst being paid a previous earnings related amount during the course
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Cyril Haearn wrote:ferrit worrier wrote:Cyril Haearn wrote:God made heaven and earth
Mick F and his like built all the rest
This thread is a trip down memory lane, slightly off thread Cyrils' quote reminded me of a saying a friends mother had
" God made the earth and all that it contains
except the Scottish highlands which are owned by McBrains"
I am not so technical, more literary
I think it should be 'except the Kyles and the Western Isles, for they are all MacBraynes'
MacBraynes, that's it! It didn't look right when I typed it. In the seventies I stayed at a CHA guest house, Craig Mhor
in Onich near Fort William on a walking holiday, transport was provided by MacBraynes single decker bus, sliding front door and half cab for the driver. If I'm not mistaken they had a depot in Kinlochleven
picture taken in 2009 on my first end to end.
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al_yrpal wrote:
Student Apprentices are now touted as the answer to solve our obvious weaknesses in Technology and Science. Practical training for Engineering graduates would make them more useful immediately. How great ideas come around again. About 50 years too late...
Al
I think I'd better have a lie down, I keep agreeing with your posts
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Right again fw, I thought MacBraynes only controlled the water
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francovendee wrote:al_yrpal wrote:
Student Apprentices are now touted as the answer to solve our obvious weaknesses in Technology and Science. Practical training for Engineering graduates would make them more useful immediately. How great ideas come around again. About 50 years too late...
Al
I think I'd better have a lie down, I keep agreeing with your posts
Always nice to know
Al
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