CUK supports BLM

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Re: CUK supports BLM

Postby Ben@Forest » 4 Jul 2020, 2:44pm

hjd10 wrote:Its a quagmire as defund means different things in different States and whilst we speak the same language as Americans we're often probably more like our European friends in thinking. :wink:


According to Collins in American English it means to stop funding but in British English it means to remove funding. So there is a technical difference. In America defund sounds like no more money, in Britain it allows for removing some, but not all, funding. But it'll mean whatever people want it to mean.

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Re: CUK supports BLM

Postby Oldjohnw » 4 Jul 2020, 3:29pm

We have defunded or unfunded police on the UK steadily over the last decade.

Sometimes they appear so invisible* that I am tempted to ask for a refund.

*Except when you are protesting - in support of BLM.
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Re: CUK supports BLM

Postby reohn2 » 4 Jul 2020, 3:43pm

Oldjohnw wrote:We have defunded or unfunded police on the UK steadily over the last decade.

Sometimes they appear so invisible* that I am tempted to ask for a refund.

*Except when you are protesting - in support of BLM.

Quite!
The idea AFAIA of BLM's wish to defund the police is to let them police the streets and not have being unqualified social workers,child minders etc,etc.
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Re: CUK supports BLM

Postby robing » 4 Jul 2020, 5:35pm

slowster wrote:
robing wrote:
landsurfer wrote:Black lives matter. Black Lives Matter doesn't.

This. I could have got behind the movement if it hadn't been hijacked by a left wing agenda.
And this is where Cycling UK made an error in judgement supporting BLM.

Cycling UK are not supporting the organisation Black Lives Matter. Reading the statement it's clear that their position on the wider issues being raised following the protests is focused on addressing any discrimination and prejudice in Cycling UK's own organisation, cycling promotion and campaigning.

But that was already explained quite clearly by Tangled Metal in his response to your post on page 2 on this thread: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=138461&start=15#p1495875

Completely disagree. CUK's statement and photo of the BLM graffiti was overtly political and had nothing to do with cycling in the UK. Their timing was poor - coming just after the protests in London that turned violent. Where does it end? Why don't they comment on the oppression of Hong Kong by China for instance?

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Re: CUK supports BLM

Postby roubaixtuesday » 4 Jul 2020, 5:49pm

robing wrote:Where does it end?


Good question.

How about when BAME people are equally treated and represented in the UK cycling community?

robing
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Re: CUK supports BLM

Postby robing » 4 Jul 2020, 5:52pm

roubaixtuesday wrote:
robing wrote:Where does it end?


Good question.

How about when BAME people are equally treated and represented in the UK cycling community?


They already are.

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Re: CUK supports BLM

Postby roubaixtuesday » 4 Jul 2020, 5:58pm

robing wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
robing wrote:Where does it end?


Good question.

How about when BAME people are equally treated and represented in the UK cycling community?


They already are.


An opinion entirely unsupported by the facts.

Mike Sales
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Re: CUK supports BLM

Postby Mike Sales » 4 Jul 2020, 5:59pm

roubaixtuesday wrote:
robing wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
Good question.

How about when BAME people are equally treated and represented in the UK cycling community?


They already are.


An opinion entirely unsupported by the facts.


I am surprised he feels qualified to speak for BAME people.

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Re: CUK supports BLM

Postby roubaixtuesday » 4 Jul 2020, 6:00pm

Mike Sales wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
robing wrote:
They already are.


An opinion entirely unsupported by the facts.


I am surprised he feels qualified to speak for BAME people.


I'm not.

robing
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Re: CUK supports BLM

Postby robing » 4 Jul 2020, 6:03pm

Mike Sales wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
robing wrote:
They already are.


An opinion entirely unsupported by the facts.


I am surprised he feels qualified to speak for BAME people.


That is a racist thing to say. You are saying I can't have an opinion because I am white.

robing
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Re: CUK supports BLM

Postby robing » 4 Jul 2020, 6:04pm

roubaixtuesday wrote:
robing wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
Good question.

How about when BAME people are equally treated and represented in the UK cycling community?


They already are.


An opinion entirely unsupported by the facts.

BAME only make up about 15% of the UK population.

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Re: CUK supports BLM

Postby Mike Sales » 4 Jul 2020, 6:09pm

robing wrote:
Mike Sales wrote:I am surprised he feels qualified to speak for BAME people.


That is a racist thing to say. You are saying I can't have an opinion because I am white.


Not at all. You may have as many mistaken opinions as you like. What you should not do is presume to know about the experiences of people which you cannot, by definition, share. And still less tell them that they are mistaken about their experiences.

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Re: CUK supports BLM

Postby robing » 4 Jul 2020, 6:11pm

Mike Sales wrote:
robing wrote:
Mike Sales wrote:I am surprised he feels qualified to speak for BAME people.


That is a racist thing to say. You are saying I can't have an opinion because I am white.


Not at all. You may have as many mistaken opinions as you like. What you should not do is presume to know about the experiences of people which you cannot, by definition, share. And still less tell them that they are mistaken about their experiences.

They aren't mistaken - that is just your opinion. Doesn't make you right.

robing
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Re: CUK supports BLM

Postby robing » 4 Jul 2020, 6:17pm

I'm all for promoting cycling to a wide a population as possible - including BAME, LGBT, disabled.
They just shouldn't have jumped on the BLM bandwagon.

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Re: CUK supports BLM

Postby cyclemad » 4 Jul 2020, 6:28pm

band wagon...and jumping spring to mind.....

What the popular press and the righteous claim;-

white actors who black up - racist

''people of colour '' actors who white up -- funny

white people who kill people of colour - racist murderers

people of colour who kill white people - murderer

White people who smash up cities and loot shops ------ criminals / looters

people of colour who smash up shops and loot - protesters fighting for their rights to protest

How we / normal folk see it

........people who kill people - murderers.

..........people who smash up cities - criminals

Lets get back on with our lives...jumping on bandwagons isn't required especially in the current world crisis where people are dying . We cant change the past but we can learn from the future .