Tangled Metal wrote: reohn2 wrote: Tangled Metal wrote:
You only confirm my opinion of the left in politics that you only listen to what confirms your opinion. You don't like independent data on democracy so you ignore it and move on to talk about what you feel safer talking about. Deflection and a deaf ear. If course pet arguments about evil billionaires, evil media and poor Corbyn the victim. If Communists believed in religion I bet they're have sanctified him by now.
I'm not quite the fool you take me for nor am I a communist or a Labour party member.
There's a middle ground and a better society,this isnt it.
And Corbyn version of a better society isn't t neither.
How do you know?
We only think we know about anything until it's tested,but from what I've seen tested in the past 30 years isn't even approaching optimum by a long shot.
Unionism is part of the founding of the labour party just as merchant classes and landowning classes were part of conservative party. That doesn't mean they're right to be part of political parties now. Things move on but parties haven't. IMHO I agree that businessmen shouldn't fund and influence parties but I also think that applies to unions. Isn't it time the labour party stood on it's own merits not propped up by unions?
The Labour party as I said before is
the Trade Unions their remit is a fair deal for the working wo/man,admittedly they've been responsible for wagged the dog at times but that's long gone.
OTOH the growth of neoliberal captialism that is now the Tory party is only for the rich to become richer and the gap between them and the rest to be as wide as they can make it,to be rich is now a virtue.
That IMO is the evil that will destroy society and only ever lead to division of it,I firmly believe that to be true and Ifirmly believe neoberal capitalism to be at the black heart of it.
Take a look at the growth of poverty,foodbanks,homelessness,lack of funding in education,the police the NHS,public transport.
The growth in huge gas guzzling cars,shopping as a hobby,crap fast food to eatmin front of your favourite crap TV soap.
We are heading in the wrong direction,if you want an example of where it leads look west at the USA,not just in consumer goods and food but in our politics too!
It's not a healthy society to live in
BTW I don't assume you're a labour party member or Communist and I have never taken you as a fool, far from it. The Communist jibe was a little dig at the more leftist corbynistas. The ones who sang his name to the 7 nations army choru s by the white Stripes. They kind of sanctified him.
Thank you it was the laughing face at the end of your post that did it.
TBH at the last election of the two parties on offer and going off the Tory party's track record,which regard as abysmal in the extreme if not criminal.
The Labour party was a far better choice,as for sanctifing Corbyn or regarding him as some knight on a white charger saviour,I've long since given up on heroes,but I did admire his honesty whereas BoJo was and is,
a worldwide laughing stock,athough has now become more a tragicomedy in the six months he and his government have managed to wreck an already fragile economy and been responsible for the third highest death toll on the planet in the current crisis.
Now people may criticise the left,but they are nothing to havoc wreaked by the right in my adult lifetime YVMV mine won't until proven otherwise.