COVID 19 testing for holiday returnees - a special case?

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Re: COVID 19 testing for holiday returnees - a special case?

Postby thirdcrank » 30 Jul 2020, 10:47am

Paulatic wrote: ... My nearest town is indeed a tourist town. Tourists are welcome but the constant and biggest gripe I hear from locals is many of those from over the border, ie England, have little idea and respect of social distancing.


They'll be pleased to hear I've stopped going.

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Re: COVID 19 testing for holiday returnees - a special case?

Postby Oldjohnw » 30 Jul 2020, 10:49am

Paulatic wrote:
PDQ Mobile wrote:[

West Wales has seen relatively low levels of the virus but now there are huge numbers of visitors.
Many seem ignorant of the two meter distancing advice.

So I wonder if travelling further afield into areas where the virus is aleady present makes that much difference to the overall infection rates?


My nearest town is indeed a tourist town. Tourists are welcome but the constant and biggest gripe I hear from locals is many of those from over the border, ie England, have little idea and respect of social distancing.


Right now my nearest town is full of people mostly from the other - north - side of the border, mostly a particular city. The chat amongst the shopkeepers is that the visitors appear to have no understanding of distancing! Perhaps it's really a tourist thing rather than an England/Scotland thing.
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Re: COVID 19 testing for holiday returnees - a special case?

Postby Tangled Metal » 30 Jul 2020, 1:23pm

Or a city/ large town thing?

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Re: COVID 19 testing for holiday returnees - a special case?

Postby Vorpal » 30 Jul 2020, 2:17pm

I don't think testing otherwise healthy holiday makers is a reasonable alternative to self-isolation for all sorts of reasons.
Firstly, people returning from holiday might not yet have become ill enough to test positive. Secondly, false negatives are common, and one of the reasons that some places require two negative test before people can be considered recovered. Thirdly, some people never have enough of the virus in their nasal passsages to test positive, even when they have symptoms. A negative test result may give someone false confidence to socialise and use public places when they shouldn't.

For someone who may have been exposed, self-isolation is the only alterntive that significantly reduces risk of infecting others.
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Re: COVID 19 testing for holiday returnees - a special case?

Postby Paulatic » 30 Jul 2020, 2:35pm

Tangled Metal wrote:Or a city/ large town thing?

Given the description from OldJohn then you’re probably right it’s more to do with the habits of people from larger populated areas being noticeable in smaller communities. A reverse of my country bumpkin act which city dwellers spot. :lol: It’s probably the fear of someone bringing the virus to their community which is heightening their alarm bells. Do city dwellers have the same fear as the virus is there somewhere in the city all of time?
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Postby francovendee » 30 Jul 2020, 2:53pm

Our part time neighbour, who lives most of the time in Paris, was amazed how few people here were wearing masks. It's obviously become the norm in Paris where they had a large outbreak. We've been lucky so far and have only had one case in the nearest village, a population of under 2000.
I wonder what the effect will be of all the visitors visiting family and friends.
Personally I'm against a forced two week quarantine and don't have faith that testing will stop cases spreading. Far better this year to stay local or find ways to travel without using public transport, staying in hotels, using bars and restaurants. Maybe wild camping on your bike? :lol:

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Re: COVID 19 testing for holiday returnees - a special case?

Postby Oldjohnw » 31 Jul 2020, 7:38am

Was going on holiday from the worst country in Europe for CV to the second worst in the middle of a pandemic ever a good idea?
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Re: COVID 19 testing for holiday returnees - a special case?

Postby Paulatic » 1 Aug 2020, 8:29am

Tangled Metal wrote:Or a city/ large town thing?

Or it might be a 'tourist' thing mentioned in a BBC report from Cornwall https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-53571128
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Re: COVID 19 testing for holiday returnees - a special case?

Postby rmurphy195 » 2 Aug 2020, 11:47pm

Paulatic wrote:As I read it you’ve to pay £150 for the test, I see no reason we should foot the bill for their pleasure, and as the second test is 5-8 days after the first test then you’ve saved yourself about a week of quarantine if clear.
I can see the mess now with mixed samples and false results. Making people quarantine is the only sure way IMO


+1

Realistically, I have a feeling that on a plane with, say, 200 people on it, including 1 infected person at takeoff, after a couple of hours there could be up to 200 infected people on it, who will then wander off in all sorts of places on thier way home.
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Re: COVID 19 testing for holiday returnees - a special case?

Postby roubaixtuesday » 3 Aug 2020, 7:58am

Well, we're in France, listening to the rain falling in our campsite, hence time for this post.

There is no government advice against travel - quite the opposite, if anything there has been encouragement to "save" the travel industry.

We drove here via tunnel, with near zero contact with anyone. We've been at least, if not more socially distant here than we would be in the uk, spending most of the time alone on our pitch or cycling/ walking outdoors.

It's not at all clear to me how this is more or less "selfish" than holidaying in the uk, as some here seem to suggest, when rates in the two countries are similar.

If the UK had a strategy to eliminate the virus and imposed travel restrictions as a result, it would have my support. There is no such policy, and absolutely no prospect of achieving such through individual actions. A coherent strategy is needed.

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Re: COVID 19 testing for holiday returnees - a special case?

Postby francovendee » 3 Aug 2020, 8:19am

roubaixtuesday wrote:Well, we're in France, listening to the rain falling in our campsite, hence time for this post.

There is no government advice against travel - quite the opposite, if anything there has been encouragement to "save" the travel industry.

We drove here via tunnel, with near zero contact with anyone. We've been at least, if not more socially distant here than we would be in the uk, spending most of the time alone on our pitch or cycling/ walking outdoors.

It's not at all clear to me how this is more or less "selfish" than holidaying in the uk, as some here seem to suggest, when rates in the two countries are similar.

If the UK had a strategy to eliminate the virus and imposed travel restrictions as a result, it would have my support. There is no such policy, and absolutely no prospect of achieving such through individual actions. A coherent strategy is needed.

Enjoy the rain! It's forecast to be very hot by the weekend.
I'll be out cycling early then indoors in my stone house trying to keep cool for the rest of the day.

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Re: COVID 19 testing for holiday returnees - a special case?

Postby simonineaston » 3 Aug 2020, 8:27am

Say one thing for this pesky little bug, it's throwing an intersting light on the way we all live our lives and the sort of things we think we're entitled to... needless to say, some folks are responding to the strictures better than others.
Talking of testing, I see this mornign that the government have goen ahead and bought deals with 2 companies offering testing, for whom there is no available evidence of efficacy - when will they learn?? Perhaps they never will...
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“We would hope that the government would wait for proper evaluations, and consider the scientific evidence for all available tests before signing further contracts. The mistakes made in test purchasing have wasted millions of pounds as well as put lives at risk.”
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Re: COVID 19 testing for holiday returnees - a special case?

Postby Oldjohnw » 3 Aug 2020, 8:55am

How many game changers have there been so far? And how many items have been returned for a refund?
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Re: COVID 19 testing for holiday returnees - a special case?

Postby roubaixtuesday » 3 Aug 2020, 9:07am

francovendee wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:Well, we're in France, listening to the rain falling in our campsite, hence time for this post.

There is no government advice against travel - quite the opposite, if anything there has been encouragement to "save" the travel industry.

We drove here via tunnel, with near zero contact with anyone. We've been at least, if not more socially distant here than we would be in the uk, spending most of the time alone on our pitch or cycling/ walking outdoors.

It's not at all clear to me how this is more or less "selfish" than holidaying in the uk, as some here seem to suggest, when rates in the two countries are similar.

If the UK had a strategy to eliminate the virus and imposed travel restrictions as a result, it would have my support. There is no such policy, and absolutely no prospect of achieving such through individual actions. A coherent strategy is needed.

Enjoy the rain! It's forecast to be very hot by the weekend.
I'll be out cycling early then indoors in my stone house trying to keep cool for the rest of the day.


Alas we're returning home Wednesday.

But have had a splendid, and very hot holiday, so no complaints whatsoever.

And some wonderful cycling: the col du Sanetsch across the Swiss border probably the absolute highlight amongst many.

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Re: COVID 19 testing for holiday returnees - a special case?

Postby Tangled Metal » 3 Aug 2020, 10:25am

How much different is it going from high virus to low virus area no matter how fast you've travelled? What I mean is if you're leaving an area of Spain with a spike in cases to an area in the UK without them is that different from visiting a low case area from a high case area of the UK? Does distance and mode of travel make the Spanish holiday worse than say Mancunians visiting rural Cumbria or even Scottish Highland villages?

Perhaps the problem is about travelling at all when in a pandemic?

Having said that in our area of Lancashire our town has the highest COVID rate of any place in the city council area. Perhaps going into the city is wrong? :lol:

Having said that, our rates if infection and deaths due to COVID is lower than some Cumbrian areas so perhaps a short camping holiday there is acceptable? Then quarantine when back home????

What's the new ethics of holidays in COVID times??