The End of the Atomic Vicar. Inevitable!!

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The End of the Atomic Vicar. Inevitable!!

Postby PDQ Mobile » 30 Jul 2020, 5:26pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53595839

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Re: The End of the Atomic Vicar. Inevitable!!

Postby reohn2 » 30 Jul 2020, 5:36pm

They've always been bad for your health anyway,so best ended soonest mended :wink:
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Re: The End of the Atomic Vicar. Inevitable!!

Postby Cyril Haearn » 30 Jul 2020, 5:49pm

Lots of jobs until 2083 :?
Hedd Wyn must be turning in his grave
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Re: The End of the Atomic Vicar. Inevitable!!

Postby [XAP]Bob » 31 Jul 2020, 12:31am

reohn2 wrote:They've always been bad for your health anyway,so best ended soonest mended :wink:


A darn sight less bad for your health than literally any other method of electricity production.
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
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Re: The End of the Atomic Vicar. Inevitable!!

Postby Carlton green » 31 Jul 2020, 4:48am

[XAP]Bob wrote:
reohn2 wrote:They've always been bad for your health anyway,so best ended soonest mended :wink:


A darn sight less bad for your health than literally any other method of electricity production.


I’m pro-nuclear but there are historic and ongoing issues with the handling, storage and disposal of radioactive material that never seem to go away. With that in mind I’m puzzled that alternative nuclear fuel types haven’t been used, but no doubt there are political and commercial pressures involved. The Magnox Stations always seemed sensible to me in that a multitude of smaller Stations has benefits over fewer but larger ones.

If to some extent weather dependant Wind and Solar seem better, to me, for health than any other power source. Coal, gas and oil generation all have emissions problems and coal creates a whole load of other problems too (like slag heaps and subsidence). Nuclear is better than fossil fuels? Well to an extent it’s a race to the bottom but give me modern Nuclear any day, and can we sort out better fuel and reactor types please.

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Re: The End of the Atomic Vicar. Inevitable!!

Postby [XAP]Bob » 31 Jul 2020, 8:46am

The regulations around nuclear power make it orders of magnitude safer than any other generation.

To follow the regulations properly quite a lot of general waste should be locked up.

The biggest issues have been that nuclear power stations have historically been used for nuclear weapons production. Without that requirement there are safer designs available.

Current breeds will take spent fuel and use that as a source, there really is no better baseload source.
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Re: The End of the Atomic Rector. Inevitable!!

Postby Cyril Haearn » 31 Jul 2020, 8:59am

'Saving' energy, or rather not using it in the first place, is best, simples
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Re: The End of the Atomic Vicar. Inevitable!!

Postby reohn2 » 31 Jul 2020, 9:24am

[XAP]Bob wrote:
reohn2 wrote:They've always been bad for your health anyway,so best ended soonest mended :wink:


A darn sight less bad for your health than literally any other method of electricity production.

I meant vicars :wink:
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Postby [XAP]Bob » 31 Jul 2020, 9:40am

Cyril Haearn wrote:'Saving' energy, or rather not using it in the first place, is best, simples

Ah yes, but even doing that we still need production to maintain the massive social benefits of the 21st century.

And I’d far rather have that production from a nuclear plant than other generation options.

Given that we are moving towards transport electrification we will still need a substantial amount of energy to be generated around the country. Ideally we’d develop ISO container based “micro nukes”. Small power plants that don’t contain enough material to be an attractive target, but are easily brought online anywhere. Small size means that active cooling is not required, so they can sit generating quite happily for many many years - maybe only a few MW, but widely distributed- lower losses in the grid, combine them with grid scale battery packs and you have a rather neat package.
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Re: The End of the Atomic Vicar. Inevitable!!

Postby Cyril Haearn » 31 Jul 2020, 9:51am

No no, distribution and mix are needed, solar, small wind, heat from the earth, and offshore wind, tidal
And much less motorised travel by whatever means

Laws and nudging to use less energy, ban bottled water, issue a free warm garment to each citizen
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Re: The End of the Atomic Vicar. Inevitable!!

Postby PDQ Mobile » 31 Jul 2020, 10:08am

Atomic vicars seem more easily disposed of though.
A quick graveside eulogy and the worms do the rest!
(Initial typo now sadly corrected :shock: )


Traws has not generated a Watt of leccy since 1991.
Is actually a substantial consumer like most big industrial sites.

And it still has a workforce numbering hundreds.
Some of whom are quite highly paid.
And this is likely to continue until 2083.
92 years!

No figures (that I can find) are available for the total amount of leccy generated over the less than 30 years it actually generated power.
Initial construction cost in the Sixties was £109 million.

I suppose full bore at two times the 235MW for each of it's turbines would give a total production figure.
But it would be wildly optimistic because one reactor was shut down several times especially in the later years. And sometimes both.

I shall leave that calculation to better mathematical brains.

My guess is that it was not economic, overall.
But that other interests were fullfilled.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trawsfy ... er_station

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Re: The End of the Atomic Vicar. Inevitable!!

Postby [XAP]Bob » 31 Jul 2020, 10:10am

What we need is reverting to the 15th century, but since no one is willing to suggest that what we need to do is the safest and cleanest option. Which is nuclear.

It has killed far fewer people than solar, wind, tidal, coal, oil, gas, battery tech....
It is also a massively over regulated industry (which has been reasonable - you take excess precautions when any industry is in its infancy, particularly when you look at the history of development).
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Re: The End of the Atomic Vicar. Inevitable!!

Postby Carlton green » 31 Jul 2020, 5:22pm

[XAP]Bob wrote:The regulations around nuclear power make it orders of magnitude safer than any other generation.

To follow the regulations properly quite a lot of general waste should be locked up.

The biggest issues have been that nuclear power stations have historically been used for nuclear weapons production. Without that requirement there are safer designs available.

Current breeds will take spent fuel and use that as a source, there really is no better baseload source.


Plus one.

Basically modified Nuclear is the way to go but sadly it isn’t a route that will be taken - it’s a most remote possibility. Couple a load of small Stations to Storage Units and you have an ideal base-load and back-up power supply. Of course I would like to see renewables in the power generation mix too and that’s just what we need, a mixture that complements other elements of its make up.

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Re: The End of the Atomic Vicar. Inevitable!!

Postby thirdcrank » 31 Jul 2020, 5:52pm

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Send it to Private Eye. They will understand the point you were making - typo rectors instead of reactors - and I've a feeling you may get a tenner, unless somebody has beaten you to it.


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Re: The End of the Atomic Vicar. Inevitable!!

Postby reohn2 » 31 Jul 2020, 6:13pm

thirdcrank wrote: .......(Matthew 7:6)

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