Anyone living in new lock down areas?

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mercalia
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Re: Anyone living in new lock down areas?

Postby mercalia » 21 Oct 2020, 2:28pm

not quite the right place but an article about the food parcels that were given to those in lockdown.

Two firms handed £200m government contract to deliver food parcels to the vulnerable during lockdown sent boxes containing inedible items at a cost of £44 each - nearly DOUBLE the retail value, analysis reveals

Sandy Lucas, 66, from near Wigan, burst into tears after receiving 'dismal' food
She was told to shield for 12 weeks and was forced to get the Government's box
Ms Lucas said she received 72 tins of tomato soup and 'dirty toilet rolls'



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8858899/Two-firms-handed-200m-deliver-food-parcels-vulnerable-sent-inedible-items.html

One thing the Daily Mail is strong on is these personal stories you wont see on eg the BBC News or Guardian etc The Nitty Gritty of things

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Re: Anyone living in new lock down areas?

Postby mercalia » 21 Oct 2020, 3:43pm

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Re: Anyone living in new lock down areas?

Postby pwa » 21 Oct 2020, 4:11pm

mercalia wrote:not quite the right place but an article about the food parcels that were given to those in lockdown.

Two firms handed £200m government contract to deliver food parcels to the vulnerable during lockdown sent boxes containing inedible items at a cost of £44 each - nearly DOUBLE the retail value, analysis reveals

Sandy Lucas, 66, from near Wigan, burst into tears after receiving 'dismal' food
She was told to shield for 12 weeks and was forced to get the Government's box
Ms Lucas said she received 72 tins of tomato soup and 'dirty toilet rolls'



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8858899/Two-firms-handed-200m-deliver-food-parcels-vulnerable-sent-inedible-items.html

One thing the Daily Mail is strong on is these personal stories you wont see on eg the BBC News or Guardian etc The Nitty Gritty of things

I don't know about this story but I once had an inside view of a Mail story (admittedly many years ago) where the story painted one picture, based on one person's distorted account, but the reality was completely different. I knew the truth but anyone reading the Mail story would have believed something that was simply not the truth. So I take newspaper stories, especially those in the Mail, with a pinch of salt that exceeds the recommended daily amount.

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Re: Anyone living in new lock down areas?

Postby Jdsk » 21 Oct 2020, 4:17pm

mercalia wrote:One thing the Daily Mail is strong on is these personal stories...

Those stories are often carefully pitched to MAKE US HATE AND DESPISE OTHERS and otherwise create OUTRAGE and FEAR!

It's a national disgrace. And you can see the results of that sort of reporting in the disproportionate fear of cycling and the country's children being taken to school in cars instead of walking and cycling. Where do you think this fear comes from? It certainly isn't from an objective analysis of the risks and benefits.

Jonathan

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mercalia
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Re: Anyone living in new lock down areas?

Postby mercalia » 21 Oct 2020, 4:28pm

Jdsk wrote:
mercalia wrote:One thing the Daily Mail is strong on is these personal stories...

Those stories are often carefully pitched to MAKE US HATE AND DESPISE OTHERS and otherwise create OUTRAGE and FEAR!

It's a national disgrace. And you can see the results of that sort of reporting in the disproportionate fear of cycling and the country's children being taken to school in cars instead of walking and cycling. Where do you think this fear comes from? It certainly isn't from an objective analysis of the risks and benefits.

Jonathan

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well here is one for you

13 year stabs 60 year old cyclist who is fighting for his life

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8859871/Boy-13-arrested-attempted-murder-cyclist-fights-life-stabbed.html

Like any thing you have to weigh things up rather than throw it all away

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Re: Anyone living in new lock down areas?

Postby Tangled Metal » 21 Oct 2020, 10:47pm

mercalia wrote:tier.JPG

We're moving from North Lancashire to South Cumbria. Final decision made when LCC recommended all schools not to open up to the years government wanted to open before the end of the school year. Over the border the schools were already almost fully open before the end of term because CCC basically said it was up to the individual schools and they'd back their decisions. Our local school basically said they didn't feel they could go against the LCC because they had no cover or backup.

So we're moving to an area with the same infection rate but in restriction level 1 I believe when whole of Lancashire is level 3 no matter whether their infection rate is high or low. Increasing or decreasing.

As you can tell I want out of a county that only sees but towns and cities further south. A similarity with England and Westminster as a whole i think. They don't see much further than Birmingham, LCC don't see much North of Preston I reckon.

I still don't know why they don't fix the restriction level on infection rates in each area in the same level of detail that they have data for. They know infection rates for blocks of area covering a handful of villages around our town. But they're looking at Preston, Burnley, etc. for setting the restrictions. Local MPs didn't say a thing neither did local councillors. All the while you've got greedy Mancunians kicking off to the news media over not n getting enough financial n support even though the offer they turned down was better than Lancashire and Liverpool on a pro rata basis. Then politicians, councillors, medical advisors across the nations ignoring restrictions and advice they don't want to follow.

Taking their example I'm going to check out a house we're going to buy in Cumbria. I'm choosing to treat it under the moving house exemption. While there we're going to an award winning chippy for dinner. We'll probably go back there a few times despite restrictions in the next few weeks. Plus going that way to take son to school. We're border country so borders will be fluid. I doubt we'll get stopped.

Irresponsible? Is it when infection rates are low where we are and the same as where we are going across the border??

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Re: Anyone living in new lock down areas?

Postby mercalia » 22 Oct 2020, 4:41pm

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Re: Anyone living in new lock down areas?

Postby reohn2 » 22 Oct 2020, 5:05pm

mercalia wrote:feed.JPG

But won't feed the poor kids when they're off school.....
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Re: Anyone living in new lock down areas?

Postby tim-b » 23 Oct 2020, 6:45am

Hi
reohn2 wrote:
mercalia wrote:feed.JPG

But won't feed the poor kids when they're off school.....

Lots of catering and hospitality professionals WFH, many in receipt of C19 payments. They could either use existing school facilities or set Nightingale canteens up to ensure that children get balanced meals, which might be better value than making payments (EDIT) to families
Regards
tim-b
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Tangled Metal
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Re: Anyone living in new lock down areas?

Postby Tangled Metal » 23 Oct 2020, 8:14am

reohn2 wrote:
mercalia wrote:feed.JPG

But won't feed the poor kids when they're off school.....

Aiui no government has fed kids when out of term time. Why has this become an issue now and not under any of the governments since the welfare state first started?

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Re: Anyone living in new lock down areas?

Postby Oldjohnw » 23 Oct 2020, 8:20am

Tangled Metal wrote:
reohn2 wrote:
mercalia wrote:feed.JPG

But won't feed the poor kids when they're off school.....

Aiui no government has fed kids when out of term time. Why has this become an issue now and not under any of the governments since the welfare state first started?


Rather obvious, really. Many parents are experiencing severe financial hardship because of this virus thing.

I have pointed out in the past when people say we shouldn't do foreign aid but should insead look after our own, that they don't even do that. Our government proved that a couple of days ago.
John

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Re: Anyone living in new lock down areas?

Postby Tangled Metal » 23 Oct 2020, 8:23am

So all the other financially difficult times when people lost their jobs and kids went hungry were different, why is that?

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Re: Anyone living in new lock down areas?

Postby Oldjohnw » 23 Oct 2020, 8:25am

One stupid MP on twitter saying food was cheap and it was easy to grow veg so what is he problem? Dead easy when you live in a tower block.
John

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Re: Anyone living in new lock down areas?

Postby Tangled Metal » 23 Oct 2020, 8:47am

But why are these hard times different than other hard times when there was no celebrity footballer campaigning for free school lunches outside of school terms?

You said it was obvious but saying kids go hungry when they've always have gone hungry doesn't answer the question why it's a big issue now? How many other big issues like this will we suddenly notice in the future that have been around through the ages?

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Re: Anyone living in new lock down areas?

Postby pwa » 23 Oct 2020, 8:56am

Tangled Metal wrote:But why are these hard times different than other hard times when there was no celebrity footballer campaigning for free school lunches outside of school terms?

You said it was obvious but saying kids go hungry when they've always have gone hungry doesn't answer the question why it's a big issue now? How many other big issues like this will we suddenly notice in the future that have been around through the ages?

The reason this is more of an issue now is:

a) Kids have been at home more due to schools being shut for months, and during that time the ones who normally benefit from free school meals have not been getting them. There has long been a problem of malnourished kids during school holidays, but that issue has been much more severe this year.

b) Some (but not all) lower income families have seen their income drop due to the economic impact of the Covid restrictions.