Manc33 wrote:Excess deaths? It was flu season.
There were a lot of excess deaths in the UK in early 2020 compared to the same months in previous seasons. Are you suggesting that was due to flu rather than COVID-19?
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Jonathan
Manc33 wrote:Excess deaths? It was flu season.
Manc33 wrote:Excess deaths? It was flu season.Jdsk wrote:Manc33 wrote:In the US I think it was $39,000 per person or something like that, if they died from covid.
Are you confusing the Medicare payment for treatment with something to do with death?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/medicare-hospitals-covid-patients/
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/
There was an incentive to say people have got coronavirus so my original point still stands.
Manc33 wrote:[XAP]Bob wrote:Manc33 wrote:Let's just ignore it and have the usual Christmas. I certainly will be.
But given that you ignore all scientific evidence that doesn’t surprise me.
In this case your wilful ignorance will kill.
The evidence for this virus is not based in science though. Science involves a dependent and an independent variable, but how can that apply when the testing is skewed from the outset - that is, they are testing for something that's always present in all our bodies all our lives, then claiming to have diagnosed people with something when they find it. That's not science.
[XAP]Bob wrote:... are you claiming that all the negative test results are faked?
Jdsk wrote:Manc33 wrote:Jdsk wrote:What's the "something", please?
Coronavirus.
Are you saying that SARS-CoV-2 was "always present in all our bodies all our lives"?
landsurfer wrote:I've been at work every day since the 23rd of March.
Not working from home ...
Every working day .. apart from the 2 weeks in Cornwall with the children on holiday in August.
Everyone of you that calls for greater lockdowns, more separation, more draconian measures to "defeat" C-19 ...
I take it you still want me to go to work ....
Food on your tables, transport, I take it you want that .. ?
As long as you don't have to do it ........ after all your "shielding" ...
Every one of you that clapped for the NHS ... did you clap for the men and women working in ALDI ? ...
No you didn't ...
On Tuesday another raft of pointless restrictions will be announced, and you will all be in favour of them ...
As long as I keep going to work .... while you hide away ......
Manc33 wrote:landsurfer wrote:Manc33 .... don't fall for the usual tactics of the high functioning Trolls on here ....
Cheers landsurfer, I'll try not to. I don't think Jdsk is trolling though.
Ben@Forest wrote:pwa wrote:The lockdown was the only tool in the bag at that time. We didn't have the testing capacity of some nations, notably Germany. And yes, it did work in the way it was meant to, as a way of suppressing the virus long enough to allow us to become better equipped. It was acknowledged that lifting the lockdown would see rates rise, which they duly did, but until we have the hoped for vaccines we need to maintain some measures to contain it. We all have a part to play in that. And if the great majority act responsibly the need for heavy handed restrictions will be minimised.
Waiting for a vaccine is not a strategy. I don't know why we aren't able to test the way other nations are but in the convoluted world of reporting statistics it's difficult to know what to believe. One news report today says that one third of UK Covid deaths in July or August were people who died principally because of other conditions. They could have easily died from pneumonia or the flu and no-one would have raised an eyebrow. And l heard a similar view from an NHS doctor months ago.
We are still acting with restraint. How many people in shops don't wear facemasks? How many have not clamoured for foreign holidays or open sports stadia? Whatever the right answer is it isn't more restrictions.
landsurfer wrote:I've been at work every day since the 23rd of March.
Not working from home ...
Every working day .. apart from the 2 weeks in Cornwall with the children on holiday in August.
Everyone of you that calls for greater lockdowns, more separation, more draconian measures to "defeat" C-19 ...
I take it you still want me to go to work ....
Food on your tables, transport, I take it you want that .. ?
As long as you don't have to do it ........ after all your "shielding" ...
Every one of you that clapped for the NHS ... did you clap for the men and women working in ALDI ? ...
No you didn't ...
On Tuesday another raft of pointless restrictions will be announced, and you will all be in favour of them ...
As long as I keep going to work .... while you hide away ......
[XAP]Bob wrote:There have been a million deaths worldwide... In the UK there had been ~ 64,000 deaths (that's basically 1 per 1000 population killed) above the adjusted annual average when I did the calculation more than a month ago (i.e. before the second wave).
[Adjusted Annual Average - I took the rolling 5 year average for each week, and noted that we were tracking for a low flu year, so adjusted the numbers a little down to reflect the early weekly death rate]
landsurfer wrote:I've been at work every day since the 23rd of March.
Not working from home ...
Every working day .. apart from the 2 weeks in Cornwall with the children on holiday in August.
Everyone of you that calls for greater lockdowns, more separation, more draconian measures to "defeat" C-19 ...
I take it you still want me to go to work ....
Food on your tables, transport, I take it you want that .. ?
As long as you don't have to do it ........ after all your "shielding" ...
Every one of you that clapped for the NHS ... did you clap for the men and women working in ALDI ? ...
No you didn't ...
On Tuesday another raft of pointless restrictions will be announced, and you will all be in favour of them ...
As long as I keep going to work .... while you hide away ......
Manc33 wrote:Excess deaths? It was flu season.
pwa wrote:Manc33 wrote:Excess deaths? It was flu season.
It was flu season and the excess deaths were deaths above and beyond what is expected in flu season, and flu wasn't even very bad this year.
Ben@Forest wrote:[XAP]Bob wrote:There have been a million deaths worldwide... In the UK there had been ~ 64,000 deaths (that's basically 1 per 1000 population killed) above the adjusted annual average when I did the calculation more than a month ago (i.e. before the second wave).
[Adjusted Annual Average - I took the rolling 5 year average for each week, and noted that we were tracking for a low flu year, so adjusted the numbers a little down to reflect the early weekly death rate]
Are you saying you work out there's 64,000 Covid deaths in UK?
Syd wrote:There are a great deal more essential workers in the UK that the ‘obvious’ and I for one was embarrassed that the NHS were singled out in the way they were on Thursday evenings.
I hope you’re employer is complying with their obligations to keep you and your colleagues safe.
landsurfer wrote:Syd wrote:There are a great deal more essential workers in the UK that the ‘obvious’ and I for one was embarrassed that the NHS were singled out in the way they were on Thursday evenings.
I hope you’re employer is complying with their obligations to keep you and your colleagues safe.
They've done a great job Syd .... not a single case within the business or out of it for any member of staff or their immediate families.
Simple stuff, individual vehicles for the team of fitters, single hotel rooms instead of sharing, an open plan office that allows separation but still allows fun and giggles in the workplace. And no one furloughed ....