Gang of six-impact on Xmas

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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby [XAP]Bob » 18 Sep 2020, 7:37pm

Manc33 wrote:Let's just ignore it and have the usual Christmas. I certainly will be.


But given that you ignore all scientific evidence that doesn’t surprise me.

In this case your wilful ignorance will kill.
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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby Oldjohnw » 18 Sep 2020, 10:16pm

Northumberland has a rate of infection of about 20 on 100,000, less than the UK average but it has been locked down because it is next to the Tyneside conurbation which has a rate of round 120 in 100,000.

No, I don't get it.
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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby mercalia » 18 Sep 2020, 10:37pm

mjr wrote:
mercalia wrote:About time that shops were required to stop people not wearing face masks from entering their premises?

There are too many exemptions for that to be practical, plus asking someone if they are exempt is basically asking them to reveal their medical history, which is a bit iffy.

Now, if you were to propose tasering space invaders, I'd be quite happy with that because I can't think of a medical reason why someone needs to push past me and the guy two in front walking with a stick in a slow-moving shop exit queue just to get back slightly quicker to their van parked in the "pick-up/drop-off zone" (and then set the alarm off when they tried to start it - almost justice!).


well I see many healthy looking people in my local lidl not wearing masks - slim fit muscular shapely young people who clearly therefore must have serious health problems, not. Its the law. a person who has lung heart issues tends to walk slowly with deliberation. easy to spot. asthmatics may be diffrent but they normaly have an inhaler to show. these are bad times we are living thru. atleast the others should be forced to lie.

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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby pwa » 19 Sep 2020, 11:29am

Oldjohnw wrote:Northumberland has a rate of infection of about 20 on 100,000, less than the UK average but it has been locked down because it is next to the Tyneside conurbation which has a rate of round 120 in 100,000.

No, I don't get it.

Surely if one area has a spike, neighbouring areas will also be in danger because people, and infection, cross boundaries. It only takes a few people from Northumberland to venture into Newcastle for the night and the spike will spread to other nearby areas. Better to get the measures in place before the spike becomes apparent rather than responding too late.

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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby Ben@Forest » 19 Sep 2020, 12:01pm

Oldjohnw wrote:Northumberland has a rate of infection of about 20 on 100,000, less than the UK average but it has been locked down because it is next to the Tyneside conurbation which has a rate of round 120 in 100,000.

No, I don't get it.


It can be seen as a failure of having large unitary authorities, if Northumberland had the old structure of Berwick, Blyth, Alnwick, Morpeth District Councils it'd be easier to isolate those districts. Now discrete areas are harder to define. It's the same in Durham - used to have seven districts - now one amalgamated authority.

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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby Oldjohnw » 19 Sep 2020, 12:13pm

pwa wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:Northumberland has a rate of infection of about 20 on 100,000, less than the UK average but it has been locked down because it is next to the Tyneside conurbation which has a rate of round 120 in 100,000.

No, I don't get it.

Surely if one area has a spike, neighbouring areas will also be in danger because people, and infection, cross boundaries. It only takes a few people from Northumberland to venture into Newcastle for the night and the spike will spread to other nearby areas. Better to get the measures in place before the spike becomes apparent rather than responding too late.


There's always a next authority. Durham is included in the shutdown. Its neighbour Teesside has a significantly higher rate but is not. So it works in reverse.
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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby Oldjohnw » 19 Sep 2020, 12:14pm

Ben@Forest wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:Northumberland has a rate of infection of about 20 on 100,000, less than the UK average but it has been locked down because it is next to the Tyneside conurbation which has a rate of round 120 in 100,000.

No, I don't get it.


It can be seen as a failure of having large unitary authorities, if Northumberland had the old structure of Berwick, Blyth, Alnwick, Morpeth District Councils it'd be easier to isolate those districts. Now discrete areas are harder to define. It's the same in Durham - used to have seven districts - now one amalgamated authority.



Agreed. An authority no-one wanted. People from Berwick do not pop into Newcastle for the night either.
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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby Syd » 19 Sep 2020, 12:45pm

Oldjohnw wrote:
Ben@Forest wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:Northumberland has a rate of infection of about 20 on 100,000, less than the UK average but it has been locked down because it is next to the Tyneside conurbation which has a rate of round 120 in 100,000.

No, I don't get it.


It can be seen as a failure of having large unitary authorities, if Northumberland had the old structure of Berwick, Blyth, Alnwick, Morpeth District Councils it'd be easier to isolate those districts. Now discrete areas are harder to define. It's the same in Durham - used to have seven districts - now one amalgamated authority.



Agreed. An authority no-one wanted. People from Berwick do not pop into Newcastle for the night either.

As Berwick is closer to Edinburgh than Newcastle, and even then it’s over 50 miles, I wouldn’t expect them to travel that far for one night out. I certainly wouldn’t.

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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby smcknighty » 19 Sep 2020, 5:42pm

I know someone aged 35 who hasn’t been well enough to work for 6 months, my wife took sheltering very seriously, still caught it and now has breathing problems like severe asthma that aren’t going away. It’s not all about dying. It’s a very unjust disease in that people can take all the risks but not take the impact. This reinforces their selfish attitudes and helps them believe they are right to not take things seriously. Maybe they will change their minds when someone they know gets impacted.


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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby mercalia » 19 Sep 2020, 6:56pm

smcknighty wrote:I know someone aged 35 who hasn’t been well enough to work for 6 months, my wife took sheltering very seriously, still caught it and now has breathing problems like severe asthma that aren’t going away. It’s not all about dying. It’s a very unjust disease in that people can take all the risks but not take the impact. This reinforces their selfish attitudes and helps them believe they are right to not take things seriously. Maybe they will change their minds when someone they know gets impacted.




I agree. But I doubt they will get it. The trouble started when Boris and co passed the law about face coverings and it wasnt enforced. I see those so-&-sos in my Lidl every time I visit acting as if it was pre March 2020. if any of them have it they are spreading it around in the close confines of my lidls as they chat on their mobiles or chat to their partner etc

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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby Manc33 » 19 Sep 2020, 6:59pm

[XAP]Bob wrote:
Manc33 wrote:Let's just ignore it and have the usual Christmas. I certainly will be.


But given that you ignore all scientific evidence that doesn’t surprise me.

In this case your wilful ignorance will kill.


The evidence for this virus is not based in science though. Science involves a dependent and an independent variable, but how can that apply when the testing is skewed from the outset - that is, they are testing for something that's always present in all our bodies all our lives, then claiming to have diagnosed people with something when they find it. That's not science.
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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby pwa » 19 Sep 2020, 7:09pm

Manc33 wrote:
[XAP]Bob wrote:
Manc33 wrote:Let's just ignore it and have the usual Christmas. I certainly will be.


But given that you ignore all scientific evidence that doesn’t surprise me.

In this case your wilful ignorance will kill.


The evidence for this virus is not based in science though. Science involves a dependent and an independent variable, but how can that apply when the testing is skewed from the outset - that is, they are testing for something that's always present in all our bodies all our lives, then claiming to have diagnosed people with something when they find it. That's not science.

Well something filled the hospital my son was working in during April. Are you saying it was something else?

If enough people ignore Covid we will have a proper Lockdown to endure over Christmas.
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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby Jdsk » 19 Sep 2020, 7:10pm

Manc33 wrote:... that is, they are testing for something that's always present in all our bodies all our lives, then claiming to have diagnosed people with something when they find it.

What's the "something", please?

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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby Syd » 19 Sep 2020, 7:36pm

pwa wrote:
Manc33 wrote:
[XAP]Bob wrote:
But given that you ignore all scientific evidence that doesn’t surprise me.

In this case your wilful ignorance will kill.


The evidence for this virus is not based in science though. Science involves a dependent and an independent variable, but how can that apply when the testing is skewed from the outset - that is, they are testing for something that's always present in all our bodies all our lives, then claiming to have diagnosed people with something when they find it. That's not science.

Well something filled the hospital my son was working in during April. Are you saying it was something else?

If enough people ignore Covid we will have a proper Lockdown to endure over Christmas.

And idiotic actions such as this doesn’t help.

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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby pwa » 19 Sep 2020, 7:44pm

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