Breaking International Law
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Until a country breaks an agreement and faces sanctions that bite or military action, its all hot air
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Hearing of the application for judicial review of the Northern Ireland Protocol has started:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.4564975
Jonathan
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.4564975
Jonathan
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"Frost hopes EU will not ‘react’ if UK suspends Northern Ireland protocol"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ood-brexit
Jonathan
PS: I thought that this was neat:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Usherwood/st ... 1562485762
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ood-brexit
Jonathan
PS: I thought that this was neat:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Usherwood/st ... 1562485762
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Surprised the impact upon public opinion is not considered. There is not a 'pro brexit' majority, public opinion largely remains split in equal thirds: pro brexit, anti brexit and 'please stop talking about it now and for the love of god make brexit go away'. That latter group didn't really care which way it happened, they just wanted it gone and out of the news and it was that group that Con in 2019 heavily tapped into with the 'get brexit done' slogan.
I'm really not sure that getting brexit undone will go down too well, I think pinning the blame on the EU is going to be a hard sell for that group as well.
I'm really not sure that getting brexit undone will go down too well, I think pinning the blame on the EU is going to be a hard sell for that group as well.
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The canny spin-dictors in Westminster will play this as 'just another Irish problem' and divorce it as much as they can in the publics' eyes from the wider Brexit question.Stevek76 wrote:Surprised the impact upon public opinion is not considered. l.
Only those interested enough (the two thirds mentioned above) will see through these tactics. One third (anti-B) will be all over this trying to show up Johnson's duplicity, one third (pro-B) will be persuaded to go along with the fiction, and the last third (make B go away) won't care about another Irish spät.
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The 'choices' chart above does not mention either reaction or effect in in RoI, which may be different to that of the EU into the future.
The RoI doesn't want a volatile NI on its border and just because Varadker agreed with everything the EU demanded previously that won't always be the case (even when Varadker himself resumes as Taoiseach in December 22).
The RoI doesn't want a volatile NI on its border and just because Varadker agreed with everything the EU demanded previously that won't always be the case (even when Varadker himself resumes as Taoiseach in December 22).
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The UK is gambling on the EU soft pedalling on breaking the protocol agreement.
If the EU takes a hard line and increased unrest results then the EU gets the blame and not the UK.
I wonder if Frost actually read the agreement.
If the EU takes a hard line and increased unrest results then the EU gets the blame and not the UK.
I wonder if Frost actually read the agreement.
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The UK government pursued a hard brexit. It signed an agreement amidst much trumpeting of how great a negotiator Johnson was. Frost got elevated to the peerage in gratitude and, without ever being elected, joined the cabinet.
But the government appears not to like the obvious consequences of this.
But the government appears not to like the obvious consequences of this.
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Frost at the European Scrutiny Committee yesterday:Oldjohnw wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 8:09am The UK government pursued a hard brexit. It signed an agreement amidst much trumpeting of how great a negotiator Johnson was. Frost got elevated to the peerage in gratitude and, without ever being elected, joined the cabinet.
But the government appears not to like the obvious consequences of this.
https://committees.parliament.uk/event/ ... e-session/
Jonathan
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RTE on the letter of response from HMG to the European Commission.
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2021/051 ... 66-brexit/
Wouldn't it be nice if the people and Parliament of the UK could see it?
Jonathan
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2021/051 ... 66-brexit/
Wouldn't it be nice if the people and Parliament of the UK could see it?
Jonathan
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It would seem that he believed some of what was agreed had an element of 'only if it suits'.Jdsk wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 8:19amFrost at the European Scrutiny Committee yesterday:Oldjohnw wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 8:09am The UK government pursued a hard brexit. It signed an agreement amidst much trumpeting of how great a negotiator Johnson was. Frost got elevated to the peerage in gratitude and, without ever being elected, joined the cabinet.
But the government appears not to like the obvious consequences of this.
https://committees.parliament.uk/event/ ... e-session/
Jonathan
I feel desperately sorry for those law abiding NI citizens in the middle of all this.
The EU may, or may not, being extremely strict in following the rules but it isn't breaking them nor imposing new one on the UK.
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It seems a disappointingly widespread attitude amongst our current incumbents. Ministerial Code (e.g. re bullying) only applies to others; declaration of gifts only applies to others; telling truth to Parliament only applies to others;...francovendee wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 10:32am...
It would seem that he believed some of what was agreed had an element of 'only if it suits'.
I feel desperately sorry for those law abiding NI citizens in the middle of all this.
The EU may, or may not, being extremely strict in following the rules but it isn't breaking them nor imposing new one on the UK.
Ian
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For options 1/2 sure, if 3 hits on wa & trade deal the impacts would be felt by people in GB.millimole wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:28am The canny spin-dictors in Westminster will play this as 'just another Irish problem' and divorce it as much as they can in the publics' eyes from the wider Brexit question.
Only those interested enough (the two thirds mentioned above) will see through these tactics. One third (anti-B) will be all over this trying to show up Johnson's duplicity, one third (pro-B) will be persuaded to go along with the fiction, and the last third (make B go away) won't care about another Irish spät.
The contents of this post, unless otherwise stated, are opinions of the author and may actually be complete codswallop
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Today's evidence from loyalists at the Select Committee:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -for-years
Jonathan
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Dangerous and heartbreaking. And unnecessary: the Government was warned.Jdsk wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 4:37pmToday's evidence from loyalists at the Select Committee:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -for-years
Jonathan
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