Breaking International Law

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ClappedOut
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Until a country breaks an agreement and faces sanctions that bite or military action, its all hot air :lol:
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Hearing of the application for judicial review of the Northern Ireland Protocol has started:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.4564975

Jonathan
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"Frost hopes EU will not ‘react’ if UK suspends Northern Ireland protocol"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ood-brexit

Jonathan

PS: I thought that this was neat:

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Surprised the impact upon public opinion is not considered. There is not a 'pro brexit' majority, public opinion largely remains split in equal thirds: pro brexit, anti brexit and 'please stop talking about it now and for the love of god make brexit go away'. That latter group didn't really care which way it happened, they just wanted it gone and out of the news and it was that group that Con in 2019 heavily tapped into with the 'get brexit done' slogan.

I'm really not sure that getting brexit undone will go down too well, I think pinning the blame on the EU is going to be a hard sell for that group as well.
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Stevek76 wrote:Surprised the impact upon public opinion is not considered. l.
The canny spin-dictors in Westminster will play this as 'just another Irish problem' and divorce it as much as they can in the publics' eyes from the wider Brexit question.

Only those interested enough (the two thirds mentioned above) will see through these tactics. One third (anti-B) will be all over this trying to show up Johnson's duplicity, one third (pro-B) will be persuaded to go along with the fiction, and the last third (make B go away) won't care about another Irish spät.


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The 'choices' chart above does not mention either reaction or effect in in RoI, which may be different to that of the EU into the future.

The RoI doesn't want a volatile NI on its border and just because Varadker agreed with everything the EU demanded previously that won't always be the case (even when Varadker himself resumes as Taoiseach in December 22).
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The UK is gambling on the EU soft pedalling on breaking the protocol agreement.

If the EU takes a hard line and increased unrest results then the EU gets the blame and not the UK.

I wonder if Frost actually read the agreement.
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The UK government pursued a hard brexit. It signed an agreement amidst much trumpeting of how great a negotiator Johnson was. Frost got elevated to the peerage in gratitude and, without ever being elected, joined the cabinet.

But the government appears not to like the obvious consequences of this.
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francovendee wrote: 18 May 2021, 8:06amI wonder if Frost actually read the agreement.
Oldjohnw wrote: 18 May 2021, 8:09am The UK government pursued a hard brexit. It signed an agreement amidst much trumpeting of how great a negotiator Johnson was. Frost got elevated to the peerage in gratitude and, without ever being elected, joined the cabinet.

But the government appears not to like the obvious consequences of this.
Frost at the European Scrutiny Committee yesterday:
https://committees.parliament.uk/event/ ... e-session/

Jonathan
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RTE on the letter of response from HMG to the European Commission.
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2021/051 ... 66-brexit/

Wouldn't it be nice if the people and Parliament of the UK could see it?

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Jdsk wrote: 18 May 2021, 8:19am
francovendee wrote: 18 May 2021, 8:06amI wonder if Frost actually read the agreement.
Oldjohnw wrote: 18 May 2021, 8:09am The UK government pursued a hard brexit. It signed an agreement amidst much trumpeting of how great a negotiator Johnson was. Frost got elevated to the peerage in gratitude and, without ever being elected, joined the cabinet.

But the government appears not to like the obvious consequences of this.
Frost at the European Scrutiny Committee yesterday:
https://committees.parliament.uk/event/ ... e-session/

Jonathan
It would seem that he believed some of what was agreed had an element of 'only if it suits'.
I feel desperately sorry for those law abiding NI citizens in the middle of all this.
The EU may, or may not, being extremely strict in following the rules but it isn't breaking them nor imposing new one on the UK.
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francovendee wrote: 18 May 2021, 10:32am
francovendee wrote: 18 May 2021, 8:06amI wonder if Frost actually read the agreement.
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It would seem that he believed some of what was agreed had an element of 'only if it suits'.
I feel desperately sorry for those law abiding NI citizens in the middle of all this.
The EU may, or may not, being extremely strict in following the rules but it isn't breaking them nor imposing new one on the UK.
It seems a disappointingly widespread attitude amongst our current incumbents. Ministerial Code (e.g. re bullying) only applies to others; declaration of gifts only applies to others; telling truth to Parliament only applies to others;...

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millimole wrote: 18 May 2021, 7:28am The canny spin-dictors in Westminster will play this as 'just another Irish problem' and divorce it as much as they can in the publics' eyes from the wider Brexit question.

Only those interested enough (the two thirds mentioned above) will see through these tactics. One third (anti-B) will be all over this trying to show up Johnson's duplicity, one third (pro-B) will be persuaded to go along with the fiction, and the last third (make B go away) won't care about another Irish spät.
For options 1/2 sure, if 3 hits on wa & trade deal the impacts would be felt by people in GB.
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Oldjohnw wrote: 11 Apr 2021, 3:54pm Truly sad. Their parents would grow up under conflict. These children have had their entire life in a time of peace.

Some politicians on both sides of the Irish Sea carry huge responsibility for what they have done to a community.
Today's evidence from loyalists at the Select Committee:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -for-years

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Jdsk wrote: 19 May 2021, 4:37pm
Oldjohnw wrote: 11 Apr 2021, 3:54pm Truly sad. Their parents would grow up under conflict. These children have had their entire life in a time of peace.

Some politicians on both sides of the Irish Sea carry huge responsibility for what they have done to a community.
Today's evidence from loyalists at the Select Committee:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -for-years

Jonathan
Dangerous and heartbreaking. And unnecessary: the Government was warned.
John
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