Breaking International Law

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reohn2
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Re: Breaking International Law

Postby reohn2 » 6 Oct 2020, 1:06pm

landsurfer wrote:This sort of takes us back 18 months to the impasse;
Dublin ... "UK, promise you won't put up a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland."
Uk ..." We promise we won't."
Dublin ... "Now UK, promise WE won't put up a hard border as well."

And now a rogue government with a landslide majority thinks it can do anything it wishes to the contrary,it just gets worse.
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Re: Breaking International Law

Postby reohn2 » 6 Oct 2020, 1:11pm

mercalia wrote:
landsurfer wrote:This sort of takes us back 18 months to the impasse;
Dublin ... "UK, promise you won't put up a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland."
Uk ..." We promise we won't."
Dublin ... "Now UK, promise WE won't put up a hard border as well."


not sure what your take on this amounts to. But it seems the EU wants the UK to shoulder the full burden of any GFA consequences due to Brexit, inspite of the fact the EU are co-guarantors of the GFA. That refusal by the EU is the impasse you are referring to?

When are you going to get it?
It's the UK's fault,they want to leave,they've caused all the problems,they've gone back on their word it's them who shoulder the blame and cost.
And it'll be you and me who'll shoulder the real cost in many more ways than you may realise.
It's what happens when self entitled millionaire schoolboys wade waaayyyy out of their depth and drag the rest of us down with them!
The difference being they have the privilege of money lots of it,the rest of us don't!
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Re: Breaking International Law

Postby landsurfer » 6 Oct 2020, 1:37pm

mercalia wrote:
landsurfer wrote:This sort of takes us back 18 months to the impasse;
Dublin ... "UK, promise you won't put up a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland."
Uk ..." We promise we won't."
Dublin ... "Now UK, promise WE won't put up a hard border as well."


not sure what your take on this amounts to. But it seems the EU wants the UK to shoulder the full burden of any GFA consequences due to Brexit, inspite of the fact the EU are co-guarantors of the GFA. That refusal by the EU is the impasse you are referring to?


Sorry, bit of an obscure path, but yes your right ,,
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Re: Breaking International Law

Postby landsurfer » 6 Oct 2020, 1:39pm

reohn2 wrote:
landsurfer wrote:This sort of takes us back 18 months to the impasse;
Dublin ... "UK, promise you won't put up a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland."
Uk ..." We promise we won't."
Dublin ... "Now UK, promise WE won't put up a hard border as well."

And now a rogue government with a landslide majority thinks it can do anything it wishes to the contrary,it just gets worse.


Totally, more than a rogue government, a despotic group of puppet masters working the buffoon Boris !
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Re: Breaking International Law

Postby reohn2 » 6 Oct 2020, 2:17pm

landsurfer wrote:
reohn2 wrote:
landsurfer wrote:This sort of takes us back 18 months to the impasse;
Dublin ... "UK, promise you won't put up a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland."
Uk ..." We promise we won't."
Dublin ... "Now UK, promise WE won't put up a hard border as well."

And now a rogue government with a landslide majority thinks it can do anything it wishes to the contrary,it just gets worse.


Totally, more than a rogue government, a despotic group of puppet masters working the buffoon Boris !

Agreed.
PS,we do sometimes :wink:
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Re: Breaking International Law

Postby Jdsk » 16 Oct 2020, 12:10pm

House of Lords Select Committee report on the Internal Market Bill:
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld5801/ldselect/ldconst/151/151.pdf

The conclusions on the international law aspects start on page 54 at paragraph 55.

Jonathan

PS: But it's equally scathing on many other fronts.

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Re: Breaking International Law

Postby mikeonabike » 16 Oct 2020, 6:19pm

Jdsk wrote:PS: But it's equally scathing on many other fronts.

Indeed. People who are happy for the govt to break foreign law would do well to read all the comments on how this Bill is riding roughshod over the UK constitution and allowing alarmingly wide powers to ministers. Taking back control?

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Re: Breaking International Law

Postby mercalia » 16 Oct 2020, 7:36pm

mikeonabike wrote:
Jdsk wrote:PS: But it's equally scathing on many other fronts.

Indeed. People who are happy for the govt to break foreign law would do well to read all the comments on how this Bill is riding roughshod over the UK constitution and allowing alarmingly wide powers to ministers. Taking back control?


I didnt think we had a ( written ) constitution. Were to have one like the Germans, that would probably , like the Germans, have a clause to override international agreements when they conflict with it.

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Re: Breaking International Law

Postby Jdsk » 16 Oct 2020, 7:46pm

Of course we have some sort of constitution, but it isn't all written in one place. Some people think that would be better, some think it wouldn't.

Why is the German situation relevant... have you had a chance to read the Select Committee report to see what it says?

Jonathan

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Re: Breaking International Law

Postby mikeonabike » 16 Oct 2020, 8:01pm

mercalia wrote:
mikeonabike wrote:
Jdsk wrote:PS: But it's equally scathing on many other fronts.

Indeed. People who are happy for the govt to break foreign law would do well to read all the comments on how this Bill is riding roughshod over the UK constitution and allowing alarmingly wide powers to ministers. Taking back control?


I didnt think we had a ( written ) constitution. Were to have one like the Germans, that would probably , like the Germans, have a clause to override international agreements when they conflict with it.

I meant - the UK constitution as it affects how our govt works domestically. Things like ministers have to obey the law and can get taken to judicial review when they break the law, they have to respect the devolution settlements, etc. Quite important stuff if you don't want to live in a superstate dictatorship.

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Re: Breaking International Law

Postby Jdsk » 20 Oct 2020, 4:20pm

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https://twitter.com/ConUnit_UCL/status/1318545099874312204

Probably won't have much effect.

Jonathan

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Re: Breaking International Law

Postby [XAP]Bob » 20 Oct 2020, 8:26pm

reohn2 wrote:
landsurfer wrote:This sort of takes us back 18 months to the impasse;
Dublin ... "UK, promise you won't put up a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland."
Uk ..." We promise we won't."
Dublin ... "Now UK, promise WE won't put up a hard border as well."

And now a rogue government with a landslide majority thinks it can do anything it wishes to the contrary,it just gets worse.



Landslide *minority*
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Re: Breaking International Law

Postby reohn2 » 20 Oct 2020, 9:47pm

[XAP]Bob wrote:
reohn2 wrote:
landsurfer wrote:This sort of takes us back 18 months to the impasse;
Dublin ... "UK, promise you won't put up a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland."
Uk ..." We promise we won't."
Dublin ... "Now UK, promise WE won't put up a hard border as well."

And now a rogue government with a landslide majority thinks it can do anything it wishes to the contrary,it just gets worse.



Landslide *minority*

OK,I'll give you that one Bob :wink:
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Re: Breaking International Law

Postby windmiller » 21 Oct 2020, 7:13am

The above is nothing more than a long lament from those that have serious issues with democracy.

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Re: Breaking International Law

Postby reohn2 » 21 Oct 2020, 8:36am

windmiller wrote:The above is nothing more than a long lament from those that have serious issues with democracy.

Or perhaps the way it's been manipulated into demockracy by some powerful people by means(read money and lots of it) for their own ends
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