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Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2020, 8:12pm
by Mick F
thirdcrank wrote:I'm by no means a Daily Mail reader having never bought a copy, but there are some things for which I find it very useful, particularly reports of court cases. Here's one which the BBC briefly touched on today.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... r-law.html

BBC News link please, as the Daily Mail one is blocked.

Maybe it won't be long until the BBC is blocked from people like us who refuse to pay for a television licence.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2020, 9:04pm
by thirdcrank
Life's too short. The point I'm making is that the Daily Mail is part of the news media and IMO sometimes a useful one. From what you have posted before IIRC, you feel that newspapers only use is for lining your parrot's cage and fair enough. Your opinion of the broadcast media seems broadly similar, if a bit less graphic. Just be aware that you are isolating yourself from a lot of information.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 23 Sep 2020, 6:21pm
by Oldjohnw
Remember when people who voted Remain were called re-moaners and accused of project fear?

It's all happening. As feared.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 23 Sep 2020, 6:29pm
by roubaixtuesday
Oldjohnw wrote:Remember when people who voted Remain were called remainers and accused of project fear?

It's all happening. As feared.


Yeah. But only because of the despicable behaviour of remainers talking the country down and the perfidious EU and their treachery.

Now, where's my blue passport?

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 23 Sep 2020, 8:21pm
by Jdsk
Oldjohnw wrote:Remember when people who voted Remain were called re-moaners and accused of project fear?

It's all happening. As feared.

Or worse.

Jonathan

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 24 Sep 2020, 7:52am
by Oldjohnw
And Kent, it seems, may soon no longer be in England, in a manner of speaking.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 24 Sep 2020, 8:13am
by francovendee
roubaixtuesday wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:Remember when people who voted Remain were called remainers and accused of project fear?

It's all happening. As feared.


Yeah. But only because of the despicable behaviour of remainers talking the country down and the perfidious EU and their treachery.

Now, where's my blue passport?

The nasty EU should have given the UK what they asked for. You know the UK deserves it. :lol:

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 24 Sep 2020, 8:30am
by Oldjohnw
I'm sure I was told we held all the cards and we would not see any difference because the EU needed us more than we needed them. Must have misheard.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 24 Sep 2020, 8:30am
by Jdsk
Oldjohnw wrote:And Kent, it seems, may soon no longer be in England, in a manner of speaking.

... Deal or no Deal?

Jonathan

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 24 Sep 2020, 8:31am
by Oldjohnw
Jdsk wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:And Kent, it seems, may soon no longer be in England, in a manner of speaking.

... Deal or no Deal?

Jonathan

:roll:

I Canterbury quite remember.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 24 Sep 2020, 8:54am
by merseymouth
Hi all, Just read that Minister Gove wants to bring in the requirement for a landing permit obtained before travel in order to arrive on Kent soil?
Sounds ok to me, after all a visa is often required for access to many countries!
Maybe we could also copy the charges to use motorways that many countries employ??
I will confess ignorance as to what the full systems are, do vehicle owners in those countries have to pay the equivalent charge such as the V.E.D. applied here, then pay additional fees to use motorways, then it is certainly fair that we pay when we visit their country. But if it is a pick and mix that brings about inequalities then it should be looked at.
I repeat again I know little on this matter, but why shouldn't folk who wreck he roads pay to maintain them regardless of location!
Truth is I wish we could reverse the reliance on massive road miles employed for movement of goods, landed in lorries at coastal ports then erosive travel the length & breadth of the U.K. to go to other ports to travel to another country with ports! Why not cut out the worn down middle country?
Switzerland has measures in place to limit the use of the country as a rat run, greener than the current model here!
As usual shoot me down, well it is to be hoped that I might learn new stuff. MM

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 24 Sep 2020, 9:05am
by Oldjohnw
Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 24 Sep 2020, 9:42am
by Jdsk
merseymouth wrote:Just read that Minister Gove wants to bring in the requirement for a landing permit obtained before travel in order to arrive on Kent soil?

It's an absolute disaster. New rules, new information management, new physical facilities. No details. And needs to be up and running in 100 days.

The hauliers and their associations are understandably livid.

Sheer deadweight bureaucracy.

Jonathan

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 24 Sep 2020, 9:43am
by Jdsk
merseymouth wrote:Maybe we could also copy the charges to use motorways that many countries employ??
I will confess ignorance as to what the full systems are, do vehicle owners in those countries have to pay the equivalent charge such as the V.E.D. applied here, then pay additional fees to use motorways, then it is certainly fair that we pay when we visit their country. But if it is a pick and mix that brings about inequalities then it should be looked at.
I repeat again I know little on this matter, but why shouldn't folk who wreck he roads pay to maintain them regardless of location!
Truth is I wish we could reverse the reliance on massive road miles employed for movement of goods, landed in lorries at coastal ports then erosive travel the length & breadth of the U.K. to go to other ports to travel to another country with ports! Why not cut out the worn down middle country?
Switzerland has measures in place to limit the use of the country as a rat run, greener than the current model here!

Excellent questions.

As always I don't think we're going to improve things without an integrated transport policy. And a fair bit of that needs to be integrated with our neighbours.

There's a very helpful paper on options for motoring taxation from the Institute for Fiscal Studies:
"A road map for motoring taxation"
https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14407
https://www.ifs.org.uk/uploads/Presenta ... xation.pdf
and it includes:
"A system of road pricing where charges vary by time and location is the best way to incorporate the costs of congestion into the prices paid by drivers."

Jonathan

PS: It's usually wiser to think of public expenditure on roads not as being hypothecated from VED or other direct transport taxes but as coming from general taxation.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 24 Sep 2020, 10:48am
by simonineaston
I can see why this topic is still of interest, however all that has gone before is in some ways, irrelevant - what matters now is what's going to happen...