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Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 24 Sep 2020, 11:10am
by PDQ Mobile
merseymouth wrote:Hi all, Just read that Minister Gove wants to bring in the requirement for a landing permit obtained before travel in order to arrive on Kent soil?
Sounds ok to me, after all a visa is often required for access to many countries!
Maybe we could also copy the charges to use motorways that many countries employ??
I will confess ignorance as to what the full systems are, do vehicle owners in those countries have to pay the equivalent charge such as the V.E.D. applied here, then pay additional fees to use motorways, then it is certainly fair that we pay when we visit their country. But if it is a pick and mix that brings about inequalities then it should be looked at.
I repeat again I know little on this matter, but why shouldn't folk who wreck he roads pay to maintain them regardless of location!
Truth is I wish we could reverse the reliance on massive road miles employed for movement of goods, landed in lorries at coastal ports then erosive travel the length & breadth of the U.K. to go to other ports to travel to another country with ports! Why not cut out the worn down middle country?
Switzerland has measures in place to limit the use of the country as a rat run, greener than the current model here!
As usual shoot me down, well it is to be hoped that I might learn new stuff. MM

The only EU through traffic of the UK is from and to Ireland. A country of just 5 million people.
It is a only a very small part of our traffic problem overall.
Most of that problem is over-reliance on road for so much of our own imported and essential foodstuffs and other goods.

Switzerland sits slap bang in the middle of the EU. Between the major population, industry and agricultural producers of Germany and N Italy, and more.
There are limited options for crossing the barrier of the Alps.
The Swiss have invested heavily in rail tunnels and other rail infrastructure to partially alleviate this heavy road traffic. The rail system is state owned and quite efficient. Some heavy lorry trailers are put onto the all electric rail system for through transport.
((We in the UK after years of starving our rail freight capacity of money will take many years to catch up))

Additionally all vehicles in Switz pay a set annual fee (vignette) to use the motorway system. But major roads are not tolled.

Switzerland while not a full member of the EU has 40 years of treaties and agreements with Brussels.
40 years!
It is also a member of the Schengen free movement area.
It enjoys a great deal of profitable and beneficial free trade with the EU and vice versa.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 24 Sep 2020, 11:19am
by roubaixtuesday
simonineaston wrote: ... what's going to happen...


There'll be some kind of shock transition at the end of the year.

Then a gradual drag on our economy for many years to come.

The government will attempt to exploit this to remove regulation on employment rights, environmental controls and the like, whilst blaming the EU and continuing to rely on xenophobia for their support.

I make no predictions for Northern Ireland or Scottish and Welsh independence, just noting that the potential for radical change is high.

How's that?

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 24 Sep 2020, 11:59am
by simonineaston
How's that?
Hmmm... a [rude word that rhymes with trite] future, by the sound of it! We're in this dreadful position because of weak regulation in the first place (in the form of dodgy practices pre referendum, thinking Arron Banks and gang, where democratic guidelines / reg.s clearly broken and no redress). UK's going to be a very bad place for a few years / decade. Threats to all sorts of hard-fought for rights and protection. A ghastly future awaits all & sundry, while the lucky very few, with assets enough to employ the very shady tax practices the EU seeks to reform will benefit - Rees-Mogg, Cummings & Hancock, being just three... ordinary people will come off badly, thus potentially polarising the electorate, moving voters away from centrist views to the extremes - where America sneezes, yadda, yadda. Not looking forward to this, at all.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 24 Sep 2020, 12:34pm
by Oldjohnw
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New map of Britain

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 24 Sep 2020, 12:46pm
by pete75
Oldjohnw wrote:20200924_122819.jpg

New map of Britain

Don't mind separating Kent from the rest of the UK but why inflict it upon France?

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 25 Sep 2020, 11:49am
by Jdsk
roubaixtuesday wrote:I make no predictions for Northern Ireland or Scottish and Welsh independence, just noting that the potential for radical change is high.

I'd bet that independence for Wales (which probably means independence for England) is some way off. But there's a new "roadmap" out today:
http://www.independencecommission.wales

Jonathan

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 25 Sep 2020, 11:56am
by mercalia
Jdsk wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:I make no predictions for Northern Ireland or Scottish and Welsh independence, just noting that the potential for radical change is high.

I'd bet that independence for Wales (which probably means independence for England) is some way off. But there's a new "roadmap" out today:
http://www.independencecommission.wales

Jonathan


Am I the only person who thinks Wales is a country is like regarding East Anglia is also a country?

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 25 Sep 2020, 12:04pm
by roubaixtuesday
mercalia wrote:
Jdsk wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:I make no predictions for Northern Ireland or Scottish and Welsh independence, just noting that the potential for radical change is high.

I'd bet that independence for Wales (which probably means independence for England) is some way off. But there's a new "roadmap" out today:
http://www.independencecommission.wales

Jonathan


Am I the only person who thinks Wales is a country is like regarding East Anglia is also a country?


Well done for demonstrating why independence is increasingly popular for the non-English countries of the uk.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 25 Sep 2020, 2:02pm
by Oldjohnw
Wales is a unit of measurement.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 25 Sep 2020, 2:12pm
by mercalia
roubaixtuesday wrote:
mercalia wrote:
Jdsk wrote:I'd bet that independence for Wales (which probably means independence for England) is some way off. But there's a new "roadmap" out today:
http://www.independencecommission.wales

Jonathan


Am I the only person who thinks Wales is a country is like regarding East Anglia is also a country?


Well done for demonstrating why independence is increasingly popular for the non-English countries of the uk.


out of curiosity ( and I dont know the answer) what proportion of those in Wales speak Welsh? East Anglia had its own dialects until the Londoners found it a nice place to retire to or commute from and corrupted the place

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 25 Sep 2020, 2:21pm
by roubaixtuesday
mercalia wrote:
out of curiosity ( and I dont know the answer) what proportion of those in Wales speak Welsh?


www.google.com

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 25 Sep 2020, 4:38pm
by Lakelander
mercalia wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
mercalia wrote:
Am I the only person who thinks Wales is a country is like regarding East Anglia is also a country?


Well done for demonstrating why independence is increasingly popular for the non-English countries of the uk.


out of curiosity ( and I dont know the answer) what proportion of those in Wales speak Welsh? East Anglia had its own dialects until the Londoners found it a nice place to retire to or commute from and corrupted the place

28.5% or around 850,000 Welsh speakers in Wales.I don’t really see your comparison with East Anglia though.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 25 Sep 2020, 5:01pm
by mercalia
Lakelander wrote:
mercalia wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
Well done for demonstrating why independence is increasingly popular for the non-English countries of the uk.


out of curiosity ( and I dont know the answer) what proportion of those in Wales speak Welsh? East Anglia had its own dialects until the Londoners found it a nice place to retire to or commute from and corrupted the place

28.5% or around 850,000 Welsh speakers in Wales.I don’t really see your comparison with East Anglia though.





will happen to Wales sooner or later

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 25 Sep 2020, 5:07pm
by mumbojumbo
Is that bloke singing in Welsh?No wonder people in Cardiff and Swansea speak English!

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 26 Sep 2020, 10:11am
by mercalia
He voted for Brexit now decided to move to Monaco to avoid paying tax. :roll:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/sep/25/sir-jim-ratcliffe-uks-richest-person-moves-to-tax-free-monaco-brexit-ineos-domicile?

people who do that should have any titles removed, should be conditional in being a tax payer?