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Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 26 Sep 2020, 9:11pm
by RickH
mercalia wrote:Am I the only person who thinks Wales is a country is like regarding East Anglia is also a country?

Kingdom of East Anglia: the Anglo-Saxon kingdom of the East Angles, which flourished from the 6th to the 10th centuries. (link)

Maybe it could be again. :wink:

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 27 Sep 2020, 6:49am
by mumbojumbo
Why is it that rich people like Ratcliffe and Alan Sir lord Sugar cannot stretch to buying a razor-horrible!

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 8 Oct 2020, 8:52am
by Oldjohnw
Midst all the gloom, a little bit of good news. Dr Liam Fox has been eliminated from the candidates for running the WTO.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 8 Oct 2020, 9:16am
by PDQ Mobile
Oldjohnw wrote:Midst all the gloom, a little bit of good news. Dr Liam Fox has been eliminated from the candidates for running the WTO.

I agree.
Most unsuitable and unsavoury person.

Don't worry he's got other interests to "tide him over"!

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 8 Oct 2020, 10:18am
by Mike Sales
The government’s Brexit strategy is in danger of driving the UK down a “very slippery slope” towards “dictatorship” or “tyranny”, according to a former president of the supreme court.


https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/oct/07/brexit-strategy-puts-uk-on-slippery-slope-to-tyranny-lawyers-told

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 14 Oct 2020, 7:55am
by djnotts
Mike Sales wrote:
The government’s Brexit strategy is in danger of driving the UK down a “very slippery slope” towards “dictatorship” or “tyranny”, according to a former president of the supreme court.


https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/oct/07/brexit-strategy-puts-uk-on-slippery-slope-to-tyranny-lawyers-told


One element of the motive behind the whole brexit project.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 14 Oct 2020, 7:58am
by Oldjohnw
Another £76+m on ferries for medicines. Why are they doing something which they know is so bad?

Apparently Brexit has cost more in a couple of years than the entire 40+ years of membership.

We're now seeing that the whole Sovereignty thing and taking back control was a complete myth. Johnson and his political mates just sell out to business mates and legislation is dictated by the US.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 14 Oct 2020, 8:26am
by reohn2
Oldjohnw wrote:Another £76+m on ferries for medicines. Why are they doing something which they know is so bad?

Apparently Brexit has cost more in a couple of years than the entire 40+ years of membership.

We're now seeing that the whole Sovereignty thing and taking back control was a complete myth. Johnson and his political mates just sell out to business mates and legislation is dictated by the US.

Of course the sovereignty thing was was a myth,look who funded the Brexit campaign,oligarchs and media moguls for their own ends.
The idiots who went along with it will now pay the price,worst of all being that the other half of the country with more sense will also have to pay it as well :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
It is the worst thing this country has done to itself in the past 60years all thanks to idiot politicians who couldn't run a bath let alone a country and 52% of idiot voters!

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 14 Oct 2020, 9:09am
by Oldjohnw
Some were idiot. Many, or even most, were taken in/deluded/naive/foolish.

Some are foolish enough to still maintain their view. That is idiot, ignoring the evidence all around as it unfolds daily.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 14 Oct 2020, 9:16am
by reohn2
Oldjohnw wrote:Some were idiot. Many, or even most, were taken in/deluded/naive/foolish.

Some are foolish enough to still maintain their view. That is idiot, ignoring the evidence all around as it unfolds daily.

All looks like idiocy to me.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 15 Oct 2020, 9:38am
by Ben@Forest
Oldjohnw wrote:Some are foolish enough to still maintain their view. That is idiot, ignoring the evidence all around as it unfolds daily.


Surveys show most still retain their original view. And that is partly because many politicians did everything they could to frustrate a Brexit. It's still astonishing that the Lib Dems went into the last election promising to reverse the referendum, immediately meaning the third of the electorate which voted Leave was lost to them. That's idiocy.

The EU is a political structure with federal ambitions, nothing more. To believe it is somehow inviolate is to ignore history. Whether leaving was right or wrong history will not view the EU as kindly as its supporters right now.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 15 Oct 2020, 9:55am
by pete75
Ben@Forest wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:Some are foolish enough to still maintain their view. That is idiot, ignoring the evidence all around as it unfolds daily.


Surveys show most still retain their original view. And that is partly because many politicians did everything they could to frustrate a Brexit. It's still astonishing that the Lib Dems went into the last election promising to reverse the referendum, immediately meaning the third of the electorate which voted Leave was lost to them. That's idiocy.

The EU is a political structure with federal ambitions, nothing more. To believe it is somehow inviolate is to ignore history. Whether leaving was right or wrong history will not view the EU as kindly as its supporters right now.



It appears we have a time traveller in our midst.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 15 Oct 2020, 10:09am
by PDQ Mobile
Ben@Forest wrote:Surveys show most still retain their original view. And that is partly because many politicians did everything they could to frustrate a Brexit. It's still astonishing that the Lib Dems went into the last election promising to reverse the referendum, immediately meaning the third of the electorate which voted Leave was lost to them. That's idiocy.

The EU is a political structure with federal ambitions, nothing more. To believe it is somehow inviolate is to ignore history. Whether leaving was right or wrong history will not view the EU as kindly as its supporters right now.

If the figures and the facts don't add up (and politicians are in a better position to judge than many) then it is foolish to pursue a policy that damages the wellbeing of a nation and its populace.
To do that verges into what is so bluntly described.

The EU is more than "just a political structure with federal ambitions".

It is a group of very diverse nations that agree to try to cooperate in a great many different areas to benefit the citizens.
However the sovereignty of those nations is always recognised.

And it may well be not as you suggest, but rather that history will judge the EU as a broad success.
Certainly the long relative peace in Europe is an achievement worthy of praise?
Cooperation and attempts at understanding have always proved more beneficial overall than conflict and devision.
I think we do now understand our European neighbours much better than formerly.
That simple fact has greater benefit than might be supposed at a cursory glance.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 16 Oct 2020, 6:19am
by Oldjohnw
It's a funny thing but our government wants brexit at any cost. No economic hardship or jobs lost too great. But saving lives in a pandemic? Oh we must weigh up all the costs.

Re: The Brexit thread

Posted: 16 Oct 2020, 8:26am
by francovendee
Oldjohnw wrote:It's a funny thing but our government wants brexit at any cost. No economic hardship or jobs lost too great. But we saving lives in a pandemic? Oh we must weigh up all the costs.

Doesn't make any sense, who gains from this approach?
It does make you wonder if the beneficiary is some foreign power having influence and would gain from a failed UK.