Flu 'jab'

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Phileas
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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby Phileas » 9 Oct 2020, 2:59pm

The utility cyclist wrote:
Phileas wrote:@TUC
Your quote seems to be about germ transmission during health care so I’m not sure it’s relevant.
The CDC link I posted was specifically related to influenza not COVID-19
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/spread.htm
People with flu can spread it to others up to about 6 feet away. Most experts think that flu viruses spread mainly by droplets made when people with flu cough, sneeze or talk. These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs. Less often, a person might get flu by touching a surface or object that has flu virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes.

So you don't think the same is for health care as it is for general populace, :? Just WOW!


Don’t be silly. Read the quote.

djnotts
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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby djnotts » 9 Oct 2020, 3:18pm

Had mine yesterday. Done so for since I think age 60 (because of knackered lungs), so 12 years without flu (having had the real thing about 30 years ago I do not confuse cold with flu) is good enough for me. And yes I know that that correlation is not proof of efficacy. But worth the effort of 30 minutes of my time to go to local pharmacist.

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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby simonineaston » 9 Oct 2020, 4:37pm

One thing's for sure - folks as have had 'flu sure remember it - there's no getting mixed up with The Common Cold when you get The Real Deal! I had H1N1 back in 2009/10... makes me laugh when I think how tiddly / simple / tough viruses are. And we have the timerity to think we're a superior animal! Hahaha. Long after we're gone and forgotten, they'll still be around, doing their thing. No need for Beethoven, or Einstein, or Rembrandt...
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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby ANTONISH » 9 Oct 2020, 5:20pm

The utility cyclist wrote:Using hate speech calling people 'anti vaxxer' is not just insulting but typically ignorant from narrow minded people, totally failing to grasp that people want healthy people, but not at the expense of other far wider reaching ailments that has shown to have a bigger detriment on populations and at great personal costs as well as the economic costs to societies that in certain cases the money would be better spent elsewhere as a prevention as opposed to cure (typical Western medicine thinking!)

Not once have I said I'm against ALL vaccinations, so making up stuff that hasn't been said comes up all the time, again, narrow minded thinking.
As for comparing flu to polio and smallpox :lol: , eradication of smallpox was relatively easy due to several factors that aren't apparent with influenza, polio is still around mostly BECAUSE OF THE VACCINE!
For the uninitiated the trivalent Polio vaccine brings about Polio, yes, outbreaks are caused by one of the vaccine types! Mark pallansch of CDC a partner with WHO admits (By using mOPV2), "We have now created more new emergences of the virus than we have stopped,"

And be honest, massive improvements in hygiene/improvements in sanitation, clean running water etc have been by far the biggest reason for reductions in viruses, additionally better health overall, hence washing hands is the singularly biggest thing you can do to stop the spread of influenza and suchlike as well as some basic bits of common sense which people should have been doing since year dot.

And as an aside, the Polio vaccine doesn't contain aluminium as an adjuvant.

Constant immunisations and testing is not the solution to lower the effects of influenza/viruses and the last half a century and more has proven this to be true.


You seem to think that my comments were aimed exclusively at you - in all online health debates there are those of dubious intent (whom I put under the the term troll). I don't agree with your views - I do accept that you hold them sincerely.
I don't consider the term antivaxxer to be hate speech - it just sums up a point of view.
Most countries have eliminated polio - there are a couple where the vaccination programme operates under threat of violence and they still have polio.

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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby rmurphy195 » 13 Oct 2020, 4:46pm

simonineaston wrote:So, it was like this: 10:15 Saturday, tiny 'scratch', no symptoms 'till mid-afternoon, when left arm began to feel slightly stiff. By evening, my left arm was aching a lot, but only when I moved it. By Sunday morning, ache nearly all gone. No other symptoms. Am now looking forward to a flu-free winter...


I've had it every year for the last 10 years. Sometimes no effect at all, sometimes a bit of stifness in the upper arm next day. Why different each time? - 'cos the vaccine changes each year with different strains of flu going around.
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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby simonineaston » 13 Oct 2020, 8:36pm

hoho - all we gotta do now is dodge those pesky coronaviruses! By Xmas we'll all be in 'ospital or dead - can even get the blinkin' thing twice!! Settle in cosily tonight and watch Contagion ;-)
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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby djnotts » 13 Oct 2020, 10:06pm

simonineaston wrote:hoho - all we gotta do now is dodge those pesky coronaviruses! By Xmas we'll all be in 'ospital or dead - can even get the blinkin' thing twice!! Settle in cosily tonight and watch Contagion ;-)


I am indeed settling my affairs in expectation of your second sentence proving correct in my case, but doubt the "all".