Flu 'jab'

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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby simonineaston » 27 Sep 2020, 10:05pm

I'm a bit surprised that the admittedly small sample on here contains so many non-takers.
Since I've taken a more active interest in the notion of populations, the dissemination of scientific ideas, their effect on government policies and their acceptance, I've found it all a bit depressing... it all boils down (I think) to humans' difficulties with understanding & assessing risk.
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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby Jdsk » 27 Sep 2020, 10:09pm

I'm sure that you've already found Spiegelhalter, but have you found his recommended books on risk by other people?
https://fivebooks.com/best-books/david-spiegelhalter-on-statistics-and-risk/

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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby [XAP]Bob » 27 Sep 2020, 10:50pm

pete75 wrote:
Jdsk wrote:As above: even if you haven't taken up the offer before please consider it this year.

Jonathan


Don't know whether to or not. Have never actually had flu but assume it's not too bad as people off work with it seem to be back in a couple of days or so.


No that’s a cold. Flu lays you out properly.
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby simonineaston » 28 Sep 2020, 7:32am

Excellent link, Jonathan - that's me kept quiet for the next few days... :wink:
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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby pete75 » 28 Sep 2020, 10:11am

[XAP]Bob wrote:
pete75 wrote:
Jdsk wrote:As above: even if you haven't taken up the offer before please consider it this year.

Jonathan


Don't know whether to or not. Have never actually had flu but assume it's not too bad as people off work with it seem to be back in a couple of days or so.


No that’s a cold. Flu lays you out properly.


I definitely haven't had it then.
My great uncle Ernest died of it. Survived three years in the trenches, came home, caught the Spanish flu and it killed him. Apparently a high mortality rate among returning soldiers because they tended to be pretty fit and, somehow, that made the effects of the disease worse.

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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 28 Sep 2020, 10:26am

Hi,
Post hard exercise your immune system is Deficient.
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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby Jdsk » 28 Sep 2020, 10:36am

I'm not an expert on this, but it might be worth reading:
"Debunking the Myth of Exercise-Induced Immune Suppression: Redefining the Impact of Exercise on Immunological Health Across the Lifespan"
Front. Immunol., 16 April 2018 | https://doi.org/10.3389/fimmu.2018.00648

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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby paddler » 28 Sep 2020, 1:05pm

A friend of mine was telling me that whilst he was hiking The Appalachian Trail he met two American doctors. They told him that he would be so fit when he finished that he would be very unlikely to get even a cold for at least six months after finishing.

And he didn't.

However, when I did it four years later I got one within a couple of months, so it doesn't necessarily follow.

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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby mercalia » 28 Sep 2020, 4:46pm

paddler wrote:A friend of mine was telling me that whilst he was hiking The Appalachian Trail he met two American doctors. They told him that he would be so fit when he finished that he would be very unlikely to get even a cold for at least six months after finishing.

And he didn't.

However, when I did it four years later I got one within a couple of months, so it doesn't necessarily follow.

Dave


ah but you didnt get the advice from a doctor - placebo effect right to the subconscious

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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 28 Sep 2020, 6:22pm

Hi,
Being so fit you never get a cold.
That is bunkum of course :)
I hardly ever get a cold its got nothing to do with being fit at all.
I simply don't come into contact with many people at all and I certainly don't touch things that other people have touched and then eat.
If you wanna stop getting colds don't touch things that other people have touched before you eat anything.
So the last thing you do before you eat is wash your hands.
A kettle handle is a brilliant place to transfer those nasties.
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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby paddler » 29 Sep 2020, 7:05am

NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
Being so fit you never get a cold.
That is bunkum of course :)
I hardly ever get a cold its got nothing to do with being fit at all.
I simply don't come into contact with many people at all and I certainly don't touch things that other people have touched and then eat.
If you wanna stop getting colds don't touch things that other people have touched before you eat anything.
So the last thing you do before you eat is wash your hands.
A kettle handle is a brilliant place to transfer those nasties.



When we got married we could never understand why my sister in law and her family always had colds. Then we had kids, they mixed with other kids and bang, we knew!

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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby mercalia » 29 Sep 2020, 3:02pm

if you want to start freaking out and see the real truth behind covid-19 watch Utopia ( 2020) from Amazon



This is a sanitised version of the UK original but still not bad

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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby Jdsk » 29 Sep 2020, 3:05pm

Are you saying the the real truth is that the virus that causes COVID-19 was made by scientists?

Thanks

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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby simonineaston » 29 Sep 2020, 3:06pm

My mum & dad passed on a fatal condition to me... it's genetic. I'm told I'm not going to survive - be the first person ever, if I do, apparently. Not that I want to to live for ever, mind!
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Re: Flu 'jab'

Postby thirdcrank » 29 Sep 2020, 3:17pm

There's been a flurry of media reports suggesting that there's a shortage of flu jabs at the mo. I thought I'd read somewhere that this year there would be two different versions of the jab, one targetted at olies and another at younger vulnerable groups.