Boris's Brain is missing

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They're burglars, not spies.
I do get that.
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Timpson's? They want £5 for shoelaces that are similar to £1 laces in Shoe Zone around the corner. Daylight robbery! Who's been teaching who? :lol:
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The courts don’t always oppose the government:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... SApp_Other
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By the time the Blacks threw open their 11-bedroom Kensington house to guests in 2001, Johnson was not just a magazine editor, but also the Conservative candidate for Henley – and his reputation for getting away with it was well and truly established.

A high point of the party was a performance by Kit and the Widow, a satirical double act. One of the guests made a note of the chorus: “That effrontery so sordid/should be cherished and rewarded/Is a fact to be applauded/As public life goes on/Let honour be accorded/That he’s pulled off such a con/Let it be lauded, the BoJo phenomenon.”

Black even declared: “If Boris wants to run for No 10, the Telegraph is behind him.” But nobody took him seriously. As the guest ruefully observed: “Everybody puddled themselves with guffawing laughter of disbelief at the very thought.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rnalist-mp

It is striking how well understood was Johnson's lying even then by those who knew him well, and how cynical they were about nevertheless backing him.
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Hellhound wrote: 24 Jul 2021, 11:11am
Strange how a person pointing how what a corrupt,lying,scheming excuse of a man our PM is,gets asked to leave yet the PM is still there.
It reminds me of the Dennis Skinner statement.
1. Skinner: “Half the Tory members opposite are crooks”

House of Commons Speaker: “The honourable member MUST withdraw that remark”

Skinner: “OK, half the Tories are not crooks”
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There are those who say, “complain all you like but Johnson remains popular”.

Er, no.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... umped.html

Not even in The Guardian.
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Nobody asked me, or anyone I know.
Polls are useless unless you ask everyone and they all answer. No such thing as a indicative sample.
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There's two different issues there.

Errors arising arising from sample size are easy to estimate, and can be reduced below any specified limit.

Fair sampling is difficult, but there are some reliable methods out there.

And surveys can easily give a much better summary of opinions than personal anecdotes, no matter how strongly held or how often repeated.

I'm interested in what other people think, and I don't see how a democratic system can work unless we all have some idea about this.

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The only way to get 100% accuracy is to ask everyone.

But a random sample, whether 1000, 10,000 or 1,000,000 will give a level of accuracy that is so close as not to matter normally. The acceptable level of accuracy, say +/- 5% is set. From time to time a random sample is tested with a larger sample to check accuracy. With population type studies the census is used to check accuracy. Asking everybody every time is quite unnecessary and will not improve accuracy to any material degree.

It’s the same as adding up a column of numbers in, say, £ and p. If you round up or down as appropriate and only use complete £s then no matter how long the column you will still be only £1 out.
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Without some supporting analysis that chart is meaningless to me. What seems to me the obvious point is that there's no indication what part, if any, referendums play in the constitutions of any of the countries listed. I did a quick check on a few of the countries and eg South Africa seems to have had two the first when the decision was made to become a republic and the second to scrap apartheid. In both cases, it was whites-only franchise. At the other end of the table, GB hasn't had a happy recent experience with them. I fancy that people familiar with the countries listed might be able to give some useful background.
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thirdcrank wrote: 2 Aug 2021, 7:54pm Without some supporting analysis that chart is meaningless to me.
It's one chart from the very interesting linked survey. I was surprised by many of the findings. Well worth reading.

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Mick F wrote: 2 Aug 2021, 7:17pm Nobody asked me, or anyone I know.
Polls are useless unless you ask everyone and they all answer. No such thing as a indicative sample.
I was going to say "cobblers" but I am deterred by the much more erudite responses which followed.
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Well you can probably knock off 10 to 20pts for the framing as an agree/disagree question.
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