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https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/fda- ... -minister/
DAG's initial thoughts:
https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/sta ... 1238851586
"Key decision is that the PM's decisions under the ministerial Code *are* amenable to judicial review"
Jonathan
https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/fda- ... -minister/
DAG's initial thoughts:
https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/sta ... 1238851586
"Key decision is that the PM's decisions under the ministerial Code *are* amenable to judicial review"
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"And this judgment does not 'clear' Patel of bullying
And anyone who says that has either not read or not understood the judgment"
Hmmm.
And anyone who says that has either not read or not understood the judgment"
Hmmm.
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At a time when defendants are remanded in custody awaiting trial for terms now measured in years rather than weeks, this does seem a prodigal use of the resources of a courtroom, two senior judges and seven learned friends (including two top learned friends) and untold ranks of solicitors to settle the question I'd express in Clapham Omnibus lingo as
Reading the judgment (linked earlier in the thread) I found the outline of the history of the ministerial code and its predecessors interesting. It certainly seems to have originated as a genuine rule book for the running of the higher levels of government and nothing more. IMO that's reinforced by its not being published until 1992 when it was no longer an internal document. The judgment includes, without apparent irony, this from Boris Johnson in his forward to his edition of this code:-
So, the prime minister of the day writes the rules and interprets them, with the authority of Parliament.
It took a score of pages - almost a quire in the days of the quill pen - of discussion to reach a resounding "Yes."In Great Britain in 2021, may a prime minister do as they like?
Reading the judgment (linked earlier in the thread) I found the outline of the history of the ministerial code and its predecessors interesting. It certainly seems to have originated as a genuine rule book for the running of the higher levels of government and nothing more. IMO that's reinforced by its not being published until 1992 when it was no longer an internal document. The judgment includes, without apparent irony, this from Boris Johnson in his forward to his edition of this code:-
I take that to be an acceptance that politicians had lost the trust of the British people and the implication is this code is now concerned with presentation AKA spin.“To fulfil this mission, and win back the trust of the British people, we must uphold the highest standards of propriety – and this code sets out how we must do so. There must be no bullying and no harassment; no leaking; no breach of collective responsibility….”
(My emphasis.)
So, the prime minister of the day writes the rules and interprets them, with the authority of Parliament.
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In an interview on the BBC Politics Live show one Nicki Aiken Tory MP,claimed MP's shouldn't call out Boris Johnson or any other minister a liar when thry're telling lies,because in may damage democracy.
You simply couldn't make this stuff up,incredible!
You simply couldn't make this stuff up,incredible!
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But, to be fair, I did think yesterday's announcements about substantial funding for drug rehab sounded very promising. On the face of it (usual caveats apply) undoing the cuts of the last decade and re-establishing a decent provision to refer drug users to so that they can deal with their issues and not keep clogging the courts. Maybe Boris has had a good thought! Any opinions, anyone?
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My opinion is the same as my opinion on so many other of Johnson's promises,I'll believe it when I see it happen!pwa wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 8:33am But, to be fair, I did think yesterday's announcements about substantial funding for drug rehab sounded very promising. On the face of it (usual caveats apply) undoing the cuts of the last decade and re-establishing a decent provision to refer drug users to so that they can deal with their issues and not keep clogging the courts. Maybe Boris has had a good thought! Any opinions, anyone?
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"All we are not stares back at what we are"
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"All we are not stares back at what we are"
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So through the last 10 years they have created lots of suffering through their cuts to drug rehab/support that they are now saying were wrong so they are going back to where we were before they started their callous treatment of those in need of help - and we are meant to react positively to their actions positively.pwa wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 8:33am But, to be fair, I did think yesterday's announcements about substantial funding for drug rehab sounded very promising. On the face of it (usual caveats apply) undoing the cuts of the last decade and re-establishing a decent provision to refer drug users to so that they can deal with their issues and not keep clogging the courts. Maybe Boris has had a good thought! Any opinions, anyone?
And from recent reports much of that restored money will beed to be spent in Westminster given the alleged drug use there "Commons Speaker goes to police over claims of cocaine use at Westminster" (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 70106.html).
Ian
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I wish that it could be done quicker and cheaper but if we are to defend the rule of law then every so often these things are bound to ripple up to the supreme court.thirdcrank wrote: ↑6 Dec 2021, 3:04pm At a time when defendants are remanded in custody awaiting trial for terms now measured in years rather than weeks, this does seem a prodigal use of the resources of a courtroom, two senior judges and seven learned friends (including two top learned friends) and untold ranks of solicitors to settle the question...
Jonathan
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How much court time is wasted because e.g. translator are not available because budgets have been cut so defendant can't understand what is going on? (was reported as a significant issue a coupe of years ago but has more money been put in?).thirdcrank wrote: ↑6 Dec 2021, 3:04pm At a time when defendants are remanded in custody awaiting trial for terms now measured in years rather than weeks, this does seem a prodigal use of the resources of a courtroom, two senior judges and seven learned friends (including two top learned friends) and untold ranks of solicitors to settle the question...
Maybe if the Gov. did not keep acting unlawfully that would save court time as they would not have to be kept being taken to court (e.g. proroguing Parliament, dodgy deals for their mates, failure to publish contract details as required, etc., etc.)
Ian
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It would.
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So you don't see it as a positive move? It will make no positive difference? You don't welcome an announcement that seems to reverse a decade of cuts? The BBC were saying that campaigners for better re-hab facilities were viewing it as a major shift in the right direction..... Like R2, I wait to see what actually materialises, but I am glad they have at least recognised, in words, that big investment is required in this area.Psamathe wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 11:45amSo through the last 10 years they have created lots of suffering through their cuts to drug rehab/support that they are now saying were wrong so they are going back to where we were before they started their callous treatment of those in need of help - and we are meant to react positively to their actions positively.pwa wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 8:33am But, to be fair, I did think yesterday's announcements about substantial funding for drug rehab sounded very promising. On the face of it (usual caveats apply) undoing the cuts of the last decade and re-establishing a decent provision to refer drug users to so that they can deal with their issues and not keep clogging the courts. Maybe Boris has had a good thought! Any opinions, anyone?
And from recent reports much of that restored money will beed to be spent in Westminster given the alleged drug use there "Commons Speaker goes to police over claims of cocaine use at Westminster" (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 70106.html).
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To try and keep this brief, it's reported that primary legislation is being considered to reduce the powers of courts. It's always possible that the parliamentary draughtspeople will cock it up (not a legal expression) but if they were to get the wording and procedures right, I can't see any other outcome than the Supreme Court deferring to the will of parliament.
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Yes.pwa wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 8:33am But, to be fair, I did think yesterday's announcements about substantial funding for drug rehab sounded very promising. On the face of it (usual caveats apply) undoing the cuts of the last decade and re-establishing a decent provision to refer drug users to so that they can deal with their issues and not keep clogging the courts. Maybe Boris has had a good thought! Any opinions, anyone?
1 All drugs policy should be based on harm reduction.
2 It should include those that are legal and those aren't.
3 Personal possession and consumption of cannabis should be decriminalised immediately.
4 And that should be reviewed for all other drugs.
5 I can't tell if this is new money or not, but facilities for rehabilitation are a major component of harm reduction
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It depends on what is meant as a "positive move". If I stop punching somebody in their head (hard) is that a "positive move"? It should never have been cut so restoring it undoing a mistake and declaring how caring your party is overlooking to damage done to people through the time you were making those cuts.pwa wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 3:23pmSo you don't see it as a positive move? It will make no positive difference? You don't welcome an announcement that seems to reverse a decade of cuts? The BBC were saying that campaigners for better re-hab facilities were viewing it as a major shift in the right direction..... Like R2, I wait to see what actually materialises, but I am glad they have at least recognised, in words, that big investment is required in this area.Psamathe wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 11:45amSo through the last 10 years they have created lots of suffering through their cuts to drug rehab/support that they are now saying were wrong so they are going back to where we were before they started their callous treatment of those in need of help - and we are meant to react positively to their actions positively.pwa wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 8:33am But, to be fair, I did think yesterday's announcements about substantial funding for drug rehab sounded very promising. On the face of it (usual caveats apply) undoing the cuts of the last decade and re-establishing a decent provision to refer drug users to so that they can deal with their issues and not keep clogging the courts. Maybe Boris has had a good thought! Any opinions, anyone?
And from recent reports much of that restored money will beed to be spent in Westminster given the alleged drug use there "Commons Speaker goes to police over claims of cocaine use at Westminster" (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 70106.html).
Ian
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I'd call that a positive move. Just as I would call it a positive move if a drunk decided to give up the booze. Any step in the right direction is a positive move, regardless of what went before.Psamathe wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 4:00pmIt depends on what is meant as a "positive move". If I stop punching somebody in their head (hard) is that a "positive move"? It should never have been cut so restoring it undoing a mistake and declaring how caring your party is overlooking to damage done to people through the time you were making those cuts.pwa wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 3:23pmSo you don't see it as a positive move? It will make no positive difference? You don't welcome an announcement that seems to reverse a decade of cuts? The BBC were saying that campaigners for better re-hab facilities were viewing it as a major shift in the right direction..... Like R2, I wait to see what actually materialises, but I am glad they have at least recognised, in words, that big investment is required in this area.Psamathe wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 11:45am
So through the last 10 years they have created lots of suffering through their cuts to drug rehab/support that they are now saying were wrong so they are going back to where we were before they started their callous treatment of those in need of help - and we are meant to react positively to their actions positively.
And from recent reports much of that restored money will beed to be spent in Westminster given the alleged drug use there "Commons Speaker goes to police over claims of cocaine use at Westminster" (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 70106.html).
Ian
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