Boris's Brain is missing

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Jdsk wrote: 22 Jun 2021, 1:43pm Higher taxation would make it easier, but the Dilnot proposals are surprisingly inexpensive:

Analysis from the King's Fund:
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/sites/defa ... -jul11.pdf
includes:
"If the Commission’s recommendations are implemented in full, it forecasts that no-one would have to spend more than 30 per cent of their assets to fund their care. It estimates that its recommended changes to the funding system would require £1.7 billion in additional public expenditure (0.14 per cent of GDP) if the cap on individual contributions is set at £35,000, rising to £3.6 billion (0.22 per cent of GDP) by 2025/6."

And the IfS in 2017, that's after Dilnot and after the Conservative proposals:
https://ifs.org.uk/publications/9243
includes:
"A life-time cap on care costs, as proposed by the Dilnot Commission, is a solution to the insurance problem. It is effectively a form of social insurance, funded from general taxation. It may also make it easier for a private market to emerge that would offer insurance against care costs up to the cap.
"By contrast, the Conservative plan makes no attempt to deal with the fundamental challenge of social care funding. That is the big problem – not how many people might win or lose."
The next non-solution is being considered today.

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^^^ and people wonder why the UK is a laughing stock around the world
The Tories were bad enough before the clown in chief came to power,but in the past TWO years it has come to this debacle :shock: :?
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It was really toe curling watching the buffoon make his speach today.
I have a hunch he's had a back hander from Peppa Pig. :lol:
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francovendee wrote: 22 Nov 2021, 7:04pm I have a hunch he's had a back hander from Peppa Pig.
It's not called pork barrel for nothing...

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Jdsk wrote: 22 Nov 2021, 2:31pm
Jdsk wrote: 22 Jun 2021, 1:43pm Higher taxation would make it easier, but the Dilnot proposals are surprisingly inexpensive:



The next non-solution is being considered today.

Jonathan

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There are many properties in the NE, particularly in ex mining communities where the average price of a small terraced house is about £100k. Many occupied by ageing ex miners who suffer all those debilitating mining illnesses and will likely require care. It's looking like they can forget handing much down to their children if they loose up to 80% of their property assets.
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PhilD28 wrote: 23 Nov 2021, 7:04am There are many properties in the NE, particularly in ex mining communities where the average price of a small terraced house is about £100k. Many occupied by ageing ex miners who suffer all those debilitating mining illnesses and will likely require care. It's looking like they can forget handing much down to their children if they loose up to 80% of their property assets.
It's what you get when you trust the Tories!
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Jdsk wrote: 22 Nov 2021, 7:06pm
francovendee wrote: 22 Nov 2021, 7:04pm I have a hunch he's had a back hander from Peppa Pig.
It's not called pork barrel for nothing...

Jonathan
First Cammers, and now Bo-"call me Peppa"-Jo. Is there a pig-fetish amongst Tory PMs?

Could be. Remember Orwell's ominous prognostication:
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Suppose that this room is a lift. The support breaks and down we go with ever-increasing velocity.
Let us pass the time by performing physical experiments...
--- Arthur Eddington (creator of the Eddington Number).
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661-Pete wrote: 23 Nov 2021, 3:31pm .....First Cammers, and now Bo-"call me Peppa"-Jo. Is there a pig-fetish amongst Tory PMs?
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I was going to suggest the thread be re-names "Just call me Peppa" (or something along those lines) but probably not a good plan as it would not be a good indication of the subject to those not interested/avoiding the political threads.

But do electric vehicles really go "vrooom, vrooom"? (ones I've been passed by as pretty quiet)

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661-Pete wrote: 23 Nov 2021, 3:31pm
Jdsk wrote: 22 Nov 2021, 7:06pm
francovendee wrote: 22 Nov 2021, 7:04pm I have a hunch he's had a back hander from Peppa Pig.
It's not called pork barrel for nothing...

Jonathan
First Cammers, and now Bo-"call me Peppa"-Jo. Is there a pig-fetish amongst Tory PMs?

Could be. Remember Orwell's ominous prognostication:
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Present day pigs may be offended......
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reohn2 wrote: 23 Nov 2021, 2:07pm
PhilD28 wrote: 23 Nov 2021, 7:04am There are many properties in the NE, particularly in ex mining communities where the average price of a small terraced house is about £100k. Many occupied by ageing ex miners who suffer all those debilitating mining illnesses and will likely require care. It's looking like they can forget handing much down to their children if they loose up to 80% of their property assets.
It's what you get when you trust the Tories!
A fairer system would be one in which, for example, the first £150k of one's assets are protected, with only assets beyond that level to be used for care. That would give ordinary folk a chance of passing their house on to their families, who will also be struggling to fund their own housing.

There is certainly unease within Tory ranks about the current proposals, which means they will get a rough time in the Lords and may come back amended. I will be surprised if there are not significant changes before a law is passed. The Government has given us another half baked idea that needs a lot more thought before something more sensible emerges. It is becoming a habit.
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pwa wrote: 24 Nov 2021, 7:03am
reohn2 wrote: 23 Nov 2021, 2:07pm
PhilD28 wrote: 23 Nov 2021, 7:04am There are many properties in the NE, particularly in ex mining communities where the average price of a small terraced house is about £100k. Many occupied by ageing ex miners who suffer all those debilitating mining illnesses and will likely require care. It's looking like they can forget handing much down to their children if they loose up to 80% of their property assets.
It's what you get when you trust the Tories!
A fairer system would be one in which, for example, the first £150k of one's assets are protected, with only assets beyond that level to be used for care. That would give ordinary folk a chance of passing their house on to their families, who will also be struggling to fund their own housing.

There is certainly unease within Tory ranks about the current proposals, which means they will get a rough time in the Lords and may come back amended. I will be surprised if there are not significant changes before a law is passed. The Government has given us another half baked idea that needs a lot more thought before something more sensible emerges. It is becoming a habit.
The whole problem is that the present government isn't even half baked or "oven ready",but corrupt to the core with a lunatic Trumpatic running the show!
You proposal of protecting the first £150k of someone's assests seems a reasonable one,this lot would rape the poor to protect the rich.
The Tories used to be bad,now they've become diabolical!
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pwa wrote: 24 Nov 2021, 7:03am
reohn2 wrote: 23 Nov 2021, 2:07pm
PhilD28 wrote: 23 Nov 2021, 7:04am There are many properties in the NE, particularly in ex mining communities where the average price of a small terraced house is about £100k. Many occupied by ageing ex miners who suffer all those debilitating mining illnesses and will likely require care. It's looking like they can forget handing much down to their children if they loose up to 80% of their property assets.
It's what you get when you trust the Tories!
A fairer system would be one in which, for example, the first £150k of one's assets are protected, with only assets beyond that level to be used for care. That would give ordinary folk a chance of passing their house on to their families, who will also be struggling to fund their own housing.

There is certainly unease within Tory ranks about the current proposals, which means they will get a rough time in the Lords and may come back amended. I will be surprised if there are not significant changes before a law is passed. The Government has given us another half baked idea that needs a lot more thought before something more sensible emerges. It is becoming a habit.
Undoubtably a better solution, but not a chance of it happening as No 11 would veto it on a cost basis.

The problem of course is much wider than simple funding models but also operational models for care. An opportunity missed to bring social care into the NHS and a join it all up as well as funding it in a similar way. That would of course require the government to care about the less well off elderly and long term ill...not gonna happen is it.
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The elephant in the room is the fact that this £86k is all about enabling people to keep their house to pass it on as inheritance, it doesn't answer the thorny issue of how the massive costs of care and/or nursing home charges will get paid, and who is going to pay it.
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