Jdsk wrote:Please could you give us a single piece of evidence that "the EU are trying to freeze us out of" any science programme.
(It looks as if we're going to be able to move to Associate status in Horizon. We're not trying to stay in Erasmus+.)
It's far more the case that we're freezing ourselves out in the conservatives desperate efforts for a symbolically 'clean' brexit, e.g. see galileo and then that ridiculous farce were we bought some other company to look at doing it ourselves, which got quietly abandoned; and erasmus.
Associate status in horizon is also a reduction as it removes our abiltiy to provide steering on the program.
al_yrpal wrote:Not really, worked with lots of scientists in my early and mid career at the RAE ( now Quinetic) and the Rutherford and Harwell laboratories. I cannot imagine hardly any of them wanting to go to Europe to work. America perhaps... I dont base my agreement on personalities..
Er well that's not any better is it? and it's a very real risk, not just to US but other non EU countries. Part of the UKs science potential came from it's ability to leverage EU resources to its own ends.
al_yrpal wrote: If every exporting business had a totally negative attitude like you and your mates Britain would sink without trace
The only negative attitude came from years of people claiming that the EU was dominating the UK despite all evidence to the contrary.