I have always been a bit mystified by the idea that there could be folk who genuinely think the Earth is flat. If I go down to the cliff top a mile and a half from my home I can look down the Bristol Channel from a high position, and between Devon and South Wales I see the widening expanse of ocean with a horizon that clearly has a very slight but definite arc to it. Maybe I see it because I have done a lot of jobs where I have had to be able to tell flat from not flat, but I do see it. Ancient people must have seen it. And of course, if you fly you see it much more clearly.
I don't like living in England....
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Don't know about our In Zid cousins but the rules and regulations governing Oz farmers are pretty stringent.Jdsk wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 11:15am And the NFU seem worried about small producers in the UK:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... s-bus.html
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And it's clear that negotiators from Australia and New Zealand are sticking firm to their hardline demands for the complete removal of tariffs on all their exports to the UK.
This would make life unbearable for small British family farms, which, remember, must respect British laws governing high farm standards.
Jonathan
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Farming in New Zealand is rather like in the UK. Farms are smaller than in Australia, more specialised, and use more resources, but they are subjected to the same regulations & food standards as Australia. For the most part, such things are harmonised, though implementation, details & animal welfare regulations are taken on a state by state or country basis (with guidance from government).
IMO, they are a little behind the UK, in that battery hens have not been banned, but there is some pressure to do so. Similarly mulesing of sheep is allowed, but they are under pressure to find alternatives & ban the practice.
IMO, they are a little behind the UK, in that battery hens have not been banned, but there is some pressure to do so. Similarly mulesing of sheep is allowed, but they are under pressure to find alternatives & ban the practice.
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AIUI differences in standards between the UK and Australia include:
Battery cages for egg production
Journey times for live animals
Antibiotics for growth promotion
Growth hormone for growth promotion
Sow stalls (planned to stop use in Australia)
Short tail docking
Mulesing
Neonicotinoid pesticides
I'm not an expert on this and additions, updates and corrections are welcome.
Jonathan
Battery cages for egg production
Journey times for live animals
Antibiotics for growth promotion
Growth hormone for growth promotion
Sow stalls (planned to stop use in Australia)
Short tail docking
Mulesing
Neonicotinoid pesticides
I'm not an expert on this and additions, updates and corrections are welcome.
Jonathan
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Both NZ and Australia have farming systems which have greatly affected the environment in recent years. In NZ at least this is due to huge expansion in their dairy industry and the fact that there are no farm subsidies which means public benefits aren't bought (which is what UK and European subsidy schemes do to some degree). This is from Foreign Correspondent published in March 2021:
In New Zealand’s Southern Alps, braided rivers radiate turquoise from the glacial flows coming off snow-capped mountains. Breathtaking vistas like these have provided the backdrop for Hollywood epics like Lord of the Rings and underpin one of the world’s most recognised tourism campaigns, “100% Pure New Zealand”.
But behind New Zealand’s clean and green image is a dirty truth — its freshwater rivers are among the most polluted in the developed world. Last year, a government report found nearly 60 per cent of the country’s rivers carry pollution above acceptable levels, with 95 to 99 per cent of rivers in pastoral, urban and non-native forested areas contaminated.
Jacinda Ardern’s Labour government has renewed its promise to clean up the waterways but is facing pushback from one of the country’s biggest polluters — the powerful dairy industry. New Zealand’s pollution problem is pitting two of the country’s most valuable assets against each other: its global reputation as an unspoilt wilderness and its most lucrative export — dairy.
And now Ngāi Tahu, New Zealand’s wealthiest Māori tribe, is launching an unprecedented legal case seeking “rangatiratanga”, or chieftainship, over most of the South Island’s freshwater, a move that could reset who has authority over the country’s waterways.
In a New Zealand museum many years ago I saw a late 19th C photograph of native forest and a modern day photo of the same place now. All the forest had gone and it had been turned over to grazing land. Of course our ancestors did this too but it was interesting to see it shown with photographic evidence, and it gives the lie to the idea NZ is somehow a pristine wilderness.
In New Zealand’s Southern Alps, braided rivers radiate turquoise from the glacial flows coming off snow-capped mountains. Breathtaking vistas like these have provided the backdrop for Hollywood epics like Lord of the Rings and underpin one of the world’s most recognised tourism campaigns, “100% Pure New Zealand”.
But behind New Zealand’s clean and green image is a dirty truth — its freshwater rivers are among the most polluted in the developed world. Last year, a government report found nearly 60 per cent of the country’s rivers carry pollution above acceptable levels, with 95 to 99 per cent of rivers in pastoral, urban and non-native forested areas contaminated.
Jacinda Ardern’s Labour government has renewed its promise to clean up the waterways but is facing pushback from one of the country’s biggest polluters — the powerful dairy industry. New Zealand’s pollution problem is pitting two of the country’s most valuable assets against each other: its global reputation as an unspoilt wilderness and its most lucrative export — dairy.
And now Ngāi Tahu, New Zealand’s wealthiest Māori tribe, is launching an unprecedented legal case seeking “rangatiratanga”, or chieftainship, over most of the South Island’s freshwater, a move that could reset who has authority over the country’s waterways.
In a New Zealand museum many years ago I saw a late 19th C photograph of native forest and a modern day photo of the same place now. All the forest had gone and it had been turned over to grazing land. Of course our ancestors did this too but it was interesting to see it shown with photographic evidence, and it gives the lie to the idea NZ is somehow a pristine wilderness.
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I personally don't see how small, developed countries and Islands can be considered pristine in the modern age. More likely beautiful but not pristine. Like Scottish Highlands is beautiful but not pristine.
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Of course, if all you lefties voted instead of sitting talking about how your vote does not matter-you might against all the odds-get a leftie Government. thankfully Labour had Jeremy to wipe Labour out! Planted by right wing possibly or simply a total idiot?Oldjohnw wrote: ↑25 Feb 2021, 9:07am I love England. I love the scenery, the traditional architecture, the village churches and greens. The ordinary people.
I feel increasingly unwelcome here though. Every day I feel more of an alien. The self entitled are ever more distant yet trying to totally manage our lives. Government is corrupt like I have never known in my entire life.
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It's a good thing there is was no bias in the last couple of constituency boundary reviews, or that Priti Patel was not elected in a constituency deliberately created as a safe Conservative seat.
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I would encourage people to unwind from waiting baited breath on every word the media and parliament spin and lies say as your going to be ignored and disappointed unless writing large cheques.
Investment in time with friends and family who will actually reciprocate instead of your 1500 plus Facebook "Friends,"
Life becomes a whole lot simpler without buying into hysteria.
Investment in time with friends and family who will actually reciprocate instead of your 1500 plus Facebook "Friends,"
Life becomes a whole lot simpler without buying into hysteria.
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What an odd thing to say. I have voted in every election I could for over 50 years. And I have never once voted Labour. And I am not, nor have been for many years, on Facebook.leftpoole wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 12:21pmOf course, if all you lefties voted instead of sitting talking about how your vote does not matter-you might against all the odds-get a leftie Government. thankfully Labour had Jeremy to wipe Labour out! Planted by right wing possibly or simply a total idiot?Oldjohnw wrote: ↑25 Feb 2021, 9:07am I love England. I love the scenery, the traditional architecture, the village churches and greens. The ordinary people.
I feel increasingly unwelcome here though. Every day I feel more of an alien. The self entitled are ever more distant yet trying to totally manage our lives. Government is corrupt like I have never known in my entire life.
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Look on the bright side: she's a BAME female so that's a good thing and and it's hardly PC to refer to the size of her seat.
This type of gerrymandering seems common. My constituency - Morley and Outwood - was the subject of boundary changes making it ideal for Ed Balls, not least because it bordered his wife's constituency. We now have a Tory MP well to the Right of the Conservative parliamentary party
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I’m not sure what Facebook has to do with this. But the general tone of the Forum is left wing. So maybe my ascertained thinking that meant Labour, maybe it is actually worse! Voting Liberal LOL!!!!Oldjohnw wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 1:29pmWhat an odd thing to say. I have voted in every election I could for over 50 years. And I have never once voted Labour. And I am not, nor have been for many years, on Facebook.leftpoole wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 12:21pmOf course, if all you lefties voted instead of sitting talking about how your vote does not matter-you might against all the odds-get a leftie Government. thankfully Labour had Jeremy to wipe Labour out! Planted by right wing possibly or simply a total idiot?Oldjohnw wrote: ↑25 Feb 2021, 9:07am I love England. I love the scenery, the traditional architecture, the village churches and greens. The ordinary people.
I feel increasingly unwelcome here though. Every day I feel more of an alien. The self entitled are ever more distant yet trying to totally manage our lives. Government is corrupt like I have never known in my entire life.
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As a right wing voter I must actually say Jacinda Arden is fabulous !Ben@Forest wrote: ↑25 May 2021, 6:01pm Both NZ and Australia have farming systems which have greatly affected the environment in recent years. In NZ at least this is due to huge expansion in their dairy industry and the fact that there are no farm subsidies which means public benefits aren't bought (which is what UK and European subsidy schemes do to some degree). This is from Foreign Correspondent published in March 2021:
In New Zealand’s Southern Alps, braided rivers radiate turquoise from the glacial flows coming off snow-capped mountains. Breathtaking vistas like these have provided the backdrop for Hollywood epics like Lord of the Rings and underpin one of the world’s most recognised tourism campaigns, “100% Pure New Zealand”.
But behind New Zealand’s clean and green image is a dirty truth — its freshwater rivers are among the most polluted in the developed world. Last year, a government report found nearly 60 per cent of the country’s rivers carry pollution above acceptable levels, with 95 to 99 per cent of rivers in pastoral, urban and non-native forested areas contaminated.
Jacinda Ardern’s Labour government has renewed its promise to clean up the waterways but is facing pushback from one of the country’s biggest polluters — the powerful dairy industry. New Zealand’s pollution problem is pitting two of the country’s most valuable assets against each other: its global reputation as an unspoilt wilderness and its most lucrative export — dairy.
And now Ngāi Tahu, New Zealand’s wealthiest Māori tribe, is launching an unprecedented legal case seeking “rangatiratanga”, or chieftainship, over most of the South Island’s freshwater, a move that could reset who has authority over the country’s waterways.
In a New Zealand museum many years ago I saw a late 19th C photograph of native forest and a modern day photo of the same place now. All the forest had gone and it had been turned over to grazing land. Of course our ancestors did this too but it was interesting to see it shown with photographic evidence, and it gives the lie to the idea NZ is somehow a pristine wilderness.
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Priti unpleasant individual.
Conservative wouldn't vote for them as crooks destroying fabric of society £120 at a conservative club for a call out- made work pay
Boris I wouldn't trust to clean a toilet.
Labour Abbot enough to know it's a disaster train wreck.
That latest labour guy an ineffective snake.
Lib err they tarnished themselves with conservatives
Greens, living in an impractical dream for me.
Nicola sturgeon, another one I can't stand.
Haven't got a large donation or bribe to get anything I want changes and party donors and civil service will guarantee disappointment
Conclusion, 5th November the only positive Westminster item along with traitors gate.
let you all vote for whoever you like
Conservative wouldn't vote for them as crooks destroying fabric of society £120 at a conservative club for a call out- made work pay
Boris I wouldn't trust to clean a toilet.
Labour Abbot enough to know it's a disaster train wreck.
That latest labour guy an ineffective snake.
Lib err they tarnished themselves with conservatives
Greens, living in an impractical dream for me.
Nicola sturgeon, another one I can't stand.
Haven't got a large donation or bribe to get anything I want changes and party donors and civil service will guarantee disappointment
Conclusion, 5th November the only positive Westminster item along with traitors gate.
let you all vote for whoever you like
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Me too - almost. Except for 1979 - the one I missed for various reasons. I did vote Labour up to 1992 - then LibDem - and most recently Green...
...On the other hand, OldJohnW never said anything about "voting Liberal". And why is it "LOL"? I could say a lot of demeaning things about tory voters if I chose to.....
Suppose that this room is a lift. The support breaks and down we go with ever-increasing velocity.
Let us pass the time by performing physical experiments...
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Let us pass the time by performing physical experiments...
--- Arthur Eddington (creator of the Eddington Number).