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al_yrpal wrote: 12 Apr 2021, 10:13amCrap harks back to Mr Crapper who held several patents applying to WCs.
It's older than that.

This is repeated so often that it has a section of its own in his Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cr ... ord_"crap"

Of course it might have stuck because of him.

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More fishy usage, but above the water-line.
'Crappit-Heid', a dish made by fisher-folk in northern Scotland from the head and offal of a fish after the fillets has been sold, I wonder what it tasted like, marine haggis almost.


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There's also the word "Craps" which is an American gambling game. Different etymology: it's a corruption of "crabs" apparently. If by any remote chance the game comes up as a forum topic, any profanity filter would have to discriminate between the two. Like the "Scunthorpe" problem....

Nothing vulgar about the word "craps" - although with my strong views on the subject, I regard all gambling as vulgar in the first place....
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661-Pete wrote: 12 Apr 2021, 11:12amThere's also the word "Craps" which is an American gambling game. Different etymology: it's a corruption of "crabs" apparently.
Could be... but I'll stick with unknown... unless there's anything new on the derivation.

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As Dr Johnson might have said "Sir, under the pretence of discussing politics, you are testing the forum rules on bad language."
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661-Pete wrote: 12 Apr 2021, 11:12am There's also the word "Craps" which is an American gambling game. Different etymology: it's a corruption of "crabs" apparently. If by any remote chance the game comes up as a forum topic, any profanity filter would have to discriminate between the two. Like the "Scunthorpe" problem....

Nothing vulgar about the word "craps" - although with my strong views on the subject, I regard all gambling as vulgar in the first place....
All my cockney family modestly bet on the gee gees when I was a child, it was their modest bit of fun. Only one, Uncle Ernie, was a compulsive gambler. He was injured by the Old Bailey bomb when the betting shop window got blown in on him! Yes, vulgar plebs... :lol:

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thirdcrank wrote: 12 Apr 2021, 11:20am As Dr Johnson might have said "Sir, under the pretence of discussing politics, you are testing the forum rules on bad language."
I think the ship has sailed on crap. It's appeared often in The Simpsons, which even very conservative Fox in the USA broadcasts in primetime as TV-PG. Even an episode with a stream of out-of-context craps only got as far as a TV-14 rating... and this forum has a minimum age requirement of 13 IIRC, as well as a being in a supposedly more liberal (in this regard) country.
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And I think the politics ban has sailed from this thread.
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Well I didn't want my first post after an involuntary week long hiatus to be negative but I am totally confused here.The message alongside the 7 day ban stated 'for breaking Forum rules regarding abusive language'.I have spent the last week trawling through page after page,topic after topic to try to assertain what I allegedly wrote that could be deemed to be worse than stuff that is there for all to see.I could find nothing.Then I happened across this gem that enlightened me:-
Cyril Haearn wrote: 11 Apr 2021, 6:06pm Glad to report that I reported some bad language today. The moderator deleted it, +1!
Cyril Haearn wrote: 11 Apr 2021, 7:01pm No, it was a rude word unsuitable for children
Once I discovered what this absolutely outrageous and inflammatory word was it all became clear!
To say I'm staggered beyond belief is an understatement!
If the word 'crap' is being reported as a 'rude word unsuitable for children' then I now understand just what we're up against!

Stephen Fry once quoted about people finding offence at anything.I'd quote that but I think someone would be offended and it would be deleted!
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Obviously c**p was not the word I reported, a moderator used it in a thread title! I should maybe like to know for what language someone was banned, but it has presumably been deleted
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Ride-sleep-repeat wrote: 12 Apr 2021, 7:05pm Well I didn't want my first post after an involuntary week long hiatus to be negative but I am totally confused here.The message alongside the 7 day ban stated 'for breaking Forum rules regarding abusive language'.I have spent the last week trawling through page after page,topic after topic to try to assertain what I allegedly wrote that could be deemed to be worse than stuff that is there for all to see.I could find nothing.Then I happened across this gem that enlightened me:-
Cyril Haearn wrote: 11 Apr 2021, 6:06pm Glad to report that I reported some bad language today. The moderator deleted it, +1!
Cyril Haearn wrote: 11 Apr 2021, 7:01pm No, it was a rude word unsuitable for children
Once I discovered what this absolutely outrageous and inflammatory word was it all became clear!
To say I'm staggered beyond belief is an understatement!
If the word 'crap' is being reported as a 'rude word unsuitable for children' then I now understand just what we're up against!

Stephen Fry once quoted about people finding offence at anything.I'd quote that but I think someone would be offended and it would be deleted!
How do you mean ...'what we're up against?'
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Ride-sleep-repeat wrote: 12 Apr 2021, 7:05pm Well I didn't want my first post after an involuntary week long hiatus to be negative but I am totally confused here.The message alongside the 7 day ban stated 'for breaking Forum rules regarding abusive language'.I have spent the last week trawling through page after page,topic after topic to try to assertain what I allegedly wrote that could be deemed to be worse than stuff that is there for all to see.I could find nothing.
That's because it has been removed.
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mjr wrote: 11 Apr 2021, 5:55pm It is important to remember we also have a real choice to turn aggressive fools off by adding them to ignore lists.
I forgot to add my endorsement to this. It doesn't work when somebody quotes them, but IT is improving all the time. That will come.
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thirdcrank wrote: 13 Apr 2021, 9:09am
mjr wrote: 11 Apr 2021, 5:55pm It is important to remember we also have a real choice to turn aggressive fools off by adding them to ignore lists.
I forgot to add my endorsement to this. It doesn't work when somebody quotes them, but IT is improving all the time. That will come.
Since I have no-one on my 'ignore' list, I can't test this: i.e. whether, since the forum update, quoted posts of 'offenders' are also 'hidden'. Are they?

But even if they are, this won't work if someone quotes another's post simply by copy-and-paste, rather than by using the 'quote' button.

And another point. Even if we can't read the offending text ourselves, it will still be visible to everyone else - including 'guest' browsers. Are people happy with that? I'm not - thick skin or no thick skin....
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Vorpal wrote: 13 Apr 2021, 8:00am
Ride-sleep-repeat wrote: 12 Apr 2021, 7:05pm Well I didn't want my first post after an involuntary week long hiatus to be negative but I am totally confused here.The message alongside the 7 day ban stated 'for breaking Forum rules regarding abusive language'.I have spent the last week trawling through page after page,topic after topic to try to assertain what I allegedly wrote that could be deemed to be worse than stuff that is there for all to see.I could find nothing.
That's because it has been removed.
Until I read about it on this thread, I had no idea that anyone on the forum had been suspended, nor for what reason. Perhaps it would have been better if we'd all remained in ignorance. But - I will suggest this to 'Ride-sleep-repeat' and others. If they're really bothered about posts disappearing, they should save their text elsewhere (e.g. in Word) at time of posting.

I don't do that on this forum (and have on the odd occasion lost a post to 'Blue Screen' - but that's a risk we all take!); but I do save anything I post (other than a one-liner) on the Independent comments (where I have a different handle). I don't really understand how the somewhat arbitrary moderation system works on that august periodical - but I've fallen foul of it several times.

I'm happy to say, I think I do understand how Moderation works on this forum! Thanks to the diligence of Vorpal et al.
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